Jalathan

I will not sell my toons on SE, I will not sell them through unsanctioned means, they will simply exist until the day SoE either shuts the game down or clears out the old characters. I may give my banked stuff to friends before I leave, but that would be it.

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aduros

How is that being a hypocrite? He said he would quit if it was allowed on live servers. Theres a difference between dumping your toon off on an exchange server, and actually playing that toon on an exchange server.

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Rinion

whats the difference then? either way it would be using RMT. He would just happen to be making a profit selling instead of buying.

Are you seriously that delusional?? get real.

BTW the fact you can transfer over to bazaar means you do have access to Sony RMT from live servers already.
When can I expect your good bye speeches?

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Manratten

Right...that is exactly what makes it hypocritical. Playing a character on the SE server is not hypocritical. Condemning it and those who play on it, only to then transfer your characters over to sell on it...is.

Pretty much the definition.

Arch0n

Sorry Rin, but I'm just not buying into your arguments here. I understand the specific points, but you yourself mentioned a low pop rate on X servers. The fact is that a very large majority of players do not want RMT to be available on the servers they play on... or else the X servers would be the highest pop and more numerous.

Ergo, there's not much room to complain that it's no big deal. It obviously is a big deal: lots of people want a more fair and skill-based ruleset, even if it does apply "only to the brokers".

Rinion

Please quote that.


BTW, what does population have to do with the fact anyone can transfer over and sell?

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aduros

I've sold a character on SE before when I quit. My issue is that I don't want to be in a situation where it's endorsed, that other characters can purchase items in game to have an advantage over me. Selling my toon on an SE server doesn't put me in that situation, since I'm no longer playing.

They also have to leave the server and have no way of returning. So again, it has no effect on those of us still on live servers. So no goodbye speeches.

I didn't see him condemn those who use it, all he said was that he didn't want to play with it.

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Rinion

Fact?
Is it fact because you say it's fact?

I have some Facts for you.
RMT that sony does not sponsor exists on your servers.
It exists because it has buyers and is making a profit.
Ergo, many people that use RMT do not play on Bazaar.

Can you please provide some proof for your facts?
My proof is probably spamming you right now if you happen to be in game.

The only fact you have truly provided me with is that the people that do not want RMT are the loudest.

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Arch0n

Mea culpa, it was sarah that said that she transferred because the X servers had a low pop.

Exactly what I just said: everyone COULD. The vast majority DON'T. You are, whether you like it or not, a minority on the X servers.

It's a fact because there are more standard servers with far more people playing those than there are X servers. Those were facts as of about 8 hours ago when I logged in last.

Your points below are not lost on me:

Understood the first few times you made this point. I'm still not buying into it. Why should an RMT buyer actually prefer spending his cash in China and risk getting banned for his purchase, AND exposed to prat spam, as opposed to simply rolling on the X server? Nobody doubts that the illegal pratfarming phenomenon exists. What I doubt is that a majority of players want it to exist without penalty as a part of the game. So far nothing you've said has contradicted this.

Ironically, this does not help your argument.

Loud? Do you think I've been flaming you or something?

Time will tell what happens with the RMT deal, but the length of this thread alone harms your premise. PLENTY of people are upset about allowing legal RMT across the servers, and that means it's a big deal. Allowing that much, what would be your overall point?

That pratfarmers exist? Given... by everyone.
That some people risk banning or other punishment by using them? Also given.
That the X servers are functionally no different than any other? Sorry, bullshit.

Gaige

RMT is the way of the future. Tons of money exists in that market and its only going to get bigger. Fighting it is futile. The next best option is for someone somewhat trustworthy to be in charge of it and make it secure.

Look at Xbox Live with its DLC, Second Life and oh I dunno, every Korean MMO made.

The success of LON shows that tons of players have no qualms about paying rl cash for ingame items. So to ignore that huge chunk of money just sitting there waiting to be spent would be ridiculous of SOE, who is of course in this business to make money.

It amazes me that someone will drop $100 bucks on a box of LON boosters and then threaten to quit if RMT gets added to EQ2 in any greater capacity than the SE servers already provide.

Newsflash: LON is RMT. You can buy a box of boosters on my server and trade it for 200 to 300 plat.

You don't get more RMT than that.

For every person on here bitching about RMT, I'd bet there are ten waiting for RMT to be legal so they can start spending thier RL money for EQ2 gains.

No, you're wrong.

The reason the Bazaar server is underpopulated is because of the no-transfer rule that is in effect on it.

No one wants to be stuck on that server with no way off. The way the game changes and guilds come and go the best way to play is to leave your options open, so at a moment's notice you could go to another server and continue to raid and play the way you're used to if something happened to your guild.

RMT is plentiful on every server. I could buy plat today on Kithicor or sell it. I can do so without any risk whatsoever also because of LON.

I traded 200 plat for a box of boosters yesterday as a matter of fact. Which is basically selling 200 of my plat to another player for $100 bucks.

Why would I transfer my character to a dead end server when I have access to RMT right here, right now and keep my options to go somewhere else if something were to happen to CL?

I wouldn't.

Most players look at SE as a way to recoup some of their investment if they quit. IE: They'll go there when they're done with the game to sell their toon. They don't actively play there, because its silly for the reasons I've pointed out.

Therefore, you're fucking wrong and I'm right. Gratz on having a shitty grasp of the actual situation.

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