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Coming to a thread to bitch and moan about someone else's complaining?
Nope.. I wasn't complaining about your complaining. I was complaining about your ignorance.

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It's already been shown that SoE reads and replies these boards. So your suggestions are inane at best.
Fair enough. But, back up a step and take another look. What outcome do you expect from such a post?

"This gent Aduros said that our structure sucks. So, I'm going to ignore all the reports, new subscriptions, recurring subscriptions, overall MMO statistics, and the number of people currently logged in and present on the new RoK content. This guy on the forums surely knows more than we do. You're all fired."

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Nope.. I wasn't complaining about your complaining. I was complaining about your ignorance.
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Hmm, judging from your previous post, I wonder to whom this applies.



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Fair enough. But, back up a step and take another look. What outcome do you expect from such a post?

"This gent Aduros said that our structure sucks. So, I'm going to ignore all the reports, new subscriptions, recurring subscriptions, overall MMO statistics, and the number of people currently logged in and present on the new RoK content. This guy on the forums surely knows more than we do. You're all fired."

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Don't be so simple minded. I'm just a drop in the bucket. However, enough drops and that bucket spills over. It's the collective voice of complaints that elicits action.
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Don't be so simple minded. I'm just a drop in the bucket. However, enough drops and that bucket spills over. It's the collective voice of complaints that elicits action.

Perhaps content related, yes. We've seen the power of the squeaky wheel several times. But about internal management? That just doesn't happen and shouldn't.
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my core point, which is based around not the ability of the SoE devs and game designers, but the ability of their managers, project managers and QA.

I where I disagree with you as well stems from your doing exactly what a lot of people have been doing lately; jumping to conclusions based on antecedents, rumors and assumptions.
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:17 AM  
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Perhaps content related, yes. We've seen the power of the squeaky wheel several times. But about internal management? That just doesn't happen and shouldn't.
That still won't stop me from exercising my right as a consumer, and voicing my displeasure with a recently purchased product, and the company's handling of that product.
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I where I disagree with you as well stems from your doing exactly what a lot of people have been doing lately; jumping to conclusions based on antecedents, rumors and assumptions.

No its based on facts; I highlighted a couple of examples just from the last few days. It seems Smed may have read it, because within an hour of that post he resurrected the RMT thread to respond to it. That sort of communication should have happened way back.

Lets underline, thats just the last few days. The history of SoE is littered with such examples.


The original development of EQ2 was a prime example. The direction of the game was constantly changing, because they never did things the right way. I'd love to see the design document.

Guess what. Because the foundations weren't right, the exact same thing has been going on with EQ2 ever since. Is it a solo game, is it a raid game, is it a party game ? No-one really knows, inside or outside of SoE. Saying its trying to be it all gets a fail. KoS / T7 launched and people were pissed because they couldn't even harvest resources due to all the heroic mobs. T8 launches and people are pissed off because there are no heroic mobs and encounters. In each case they are right to be pissed off because the foundations of the game remain rudderless.


Why are people pissed off ? Because people like an excuse to be pissed off and whine. Noooooo. People are pissed off because their expectations haven't been managed. Their expectations haven't been managed because of insufficient vision and direction. The man who has been entrusted with giving a solid stable base is the man who was at the helm during development and going live. (That could be a cheap shot and I'll repeat - it really may not have been bruces fault that the development and implementation was so messed up - we don't know what he had forced on him).

For brevity sake, I'll respond to a real interesting point Caswydian made on an entirely relevant matter. Suffice to say EQ2 has been short on direction since its inception.



I won't even say NGE because that results in all sorts of folks being inflicted with a mysterious internet based form of Tourettes. How fucked up was that ? And the real joke is they announced the changes just a few days after the launch of a much pushed expansion. Thats comedy gold.



Whats changed with RoK ? All the indicators are there that the project was not as well managed as EoF. RoK was a MASSIVE opportunity, but yet again SoE dropped the ball.

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Whenever i buy SOE products i already expect them to be half finished, never fixed, and probably get broken more as the years go on.

It took my awhile to be in this mindset but life is much better now, if you never set your expectations high your dreams wont be broken!
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Whenever i buy SOE products i already expect them to be half finished, never fixed, and probably get broken more as the years go on.

It took my awhile to be in this mindset but life is much better now, if you never set your expectations high your dreams wont be broken!

Ok, SOE products are not ever completely finished / bug tested / polished. We can all agree. But half finished? Most of the stuff I have seen in EQ2 has at least been playable and mostly polished...

It's no where as near as bad as only half completed.
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why do you people bitch so much
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Old 12-24-2007, 03:04 AM  
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why do you people bitch so much
Becuase we all don't have an autistic brother to get us unbanned.
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