Mirdo

Wow, there's a whole lot of rage in there. Makes for funny reading though

Uyaem

Because of a stupid key combo the browser ate my posting.
This is a shortened rewrite *sigh*

True

Great misconception, it's not just "killing a single mob", you cut out the entire journey there. And that journey involves doing what every non-raider does too.

It's actually "give us something to shoot for", not "make us unique". And casual players should agree with that (see below for the why).

Yes, and that is the problem that is being addressed. EQ2 is often referred to as an item-centric game, now in order to keep people going should there not be progression in the items you can get?
Any player, raiding or not, should always have something to aim for. As a casual player, how can you not want that? I'm talking about people who hit the level cap already of course, with a little bit of luck you get everything you could want (bar masters) within a few weeks. Would it not be great to be able to say "Okay, now that I have that, what's next? I have x now, which enables me to get y."
For most equipment slots you can start out with y. What is the purpose of exploring new content other than seeing it?
That sums up the "Veeshan's Peak" effect, in the beginning everyone was all "uuh, aah!", new zone, lovely graphics, but going there for the fourth, fifth time already was a pain.
It cannot be the aim of developers, raiders, non-raiders alike to burn through and out of content/desires so fast.

Constructive ideas involve investigative questions, often construed as "negative energy", which is a banning offence on the official forums.
In-game petitions are not made for suggesting changes.
EQ2flames is the only "proper platform" for these ideas, and they have been around and posted all over the place again and again for the past year that I've been a visitor here.
For any developers' feedback I'm thankful, even if it's not what I had hoped for, but at least it gives you the feeling you were heard. However there's a point where that isn't enough anymore.

What do you think the OP's intent was?
This thread isn't lost yet despite some people's attempts (not you), and I do see some constructive/on-topic arguing going on in these 12 pages.

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Ravanos

yeah dumbfuck i choose not to be in an uber guild I play an inquisitor and as soon as an uber raid guild see an unguilded 80 inquisitor im going to get a tell from them.

whats the matter with what you bolded? are you too much of a pussy to put in real risk vs rewards. or do you just want the rewards without the risk. because in this game there is no risk you don't lose anything.

Snooze

All the risk vs. reward and time bullshit holds no grounds!

Once it's beaten, it's all down to rinse and repeat, and the touch of luck, to get the item you want to drop!

Soloing: I alone am responsible if mob xyz dies or not, I get all the loot ...

Raiding: working as a team, everyone needs to put in more effort, you are likely to fuck over 23 other, if you don't! Loot is shared amongst each other!

In the end when you open the box, 24 people have worked for it, so imho it should be better quality then what single person has worked for!

Sure the single person may have spend the same effort as every single person of the
24 raiders -but- he is rewarded with 100% of the loot ... while other go home with nothing ...

I don't mind that people are able to get powerful items form the Broker, collection quest, soloing or grouping ... but each item should be replaceable by something which is raided for!
And this is not the case!!!! And this is what pisses most people off ...

There are procs on instance gear, which you don't see on raid gear! This is the big problem, any gear with pure stats is normal only good for transmuting, since the diminishing return system destroys any real need to aim for the cap!

I would love to see that SoE would create instance loot, with say effect x (proccing x times a minute for x dmg), and you can obtain a similar item out of raid zones whit an effect called great x (procs more often with more dmg)! Or same effect and a 2nd bounus

So to say any none raid gear should be replaceable with a raid obtainable item which has an improved proc!
So similar to what the have with lesser heal treasured and heal on legendary ...

Lucrez

Yes it is.

I'm raiding in Rok btw
Ok our guild is in tier1 by now. We started rok raiding in January. Yes Raidgear in VP shoud be better than in Protectors Realm and tier 1 Raidgear should be better than Instance gear. Tier 1 is quite easy and i don't hope the rest is the same...

There is some really good instance gear in Rok, the Scout Breast from Chelsith for example. Why didn't the Devs make something similar in Raidinstances without the negativ effect and some more HP/power or anything like that?? I can't tell you sorry...

But I really don't care if it is legendary or fabled as long as it is better than the raidloot I can spend my fucking DKP for I hope for a better Item...
I looked over the raidloot at Xanadu and yes there is really little good loot with mostly wrong class restrictions.
And I understand you hardcoreraiding guys to be pissed off by the loot. Maybe I'm lucky and they fix it until we reach VP (I'm sure soe doesn't).
I play the game for about 3 Years and tried out some other MMO without finding a better one with a community I could enjoy.

bobz69

Its just a sad state when you can do into a raid zone from last tier (tnt) and have more people bidding on the lewt, selling more pieces of lewt, out of 2 chests, then you can in all of VP.

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MysidiaDrakkenbane

The game doesn't take effort, but it takes more effort to raid than it does to fucking solo, fuckbag. So yeah, for the people who put in the time and effort it takes to raid, their rewards SHOULD be better than someone who doesn't. Last time I checked, I didn't see any level 80's solo a fucking Avatar. It's not fucking rocket science, and you say I'm the winner?

You don't like it? Suckle up to a console and get yourself a Game Shark. That should have the difficulty you're looking for.

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Arch0n

Hey, that's sig material.

Caswydian

Really? What sort of effort does it take, and how is that effort quantifiably greater than for other play-styles? How do you really measure effort, such that you can claim this statement is factual?

Is it the effort being rewarded? If so, why shouldn't all effort be rewarded equally? Why should effort at raiding receive better rewards than the same effort expended at soloing or crafting or some other form of play?

Euron Greyjoy

Because it takes twenty-four people for one item, douchebag. Say it with me.

One person solos, he gets one item. Twenty-four come together and... logically... the one item should be? TWENTY-FOUR TIMES BETTER.

Go back to EQ2players, your kind is not welcome here.

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