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Phrozen · 01-22-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Wurm

It wasn't a flaw it was just an example. I could have easily said power that you go OOM two spells later or get two more heals off.

You could have, but yet again (ok I'm nitpicking now!) you're example is poor. No raider should go OOM, they come should come prepared with clickies to keep power up (Clarity Potions, Power roots, Shards/Hearts, Power proc gear, etc) if they really have power issues, and most've the Legendary gear has Manawell or whatever procs on them if you really had power issues, swap out your Fabled for Legendary that procs you power!

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Originally Posted by Wurm

And stats aside, if the Raid encounters required the type of abilities that only Fabled gear should have... less of your raid force would be wearing Legendary while inside.

We can only dream...

Uyaem · 01-22-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wurm

Diminishing returns is also a bullshit mechanic that has no place in a intelligently programmed game but that argument has already been beaten to death and turned into soap.

No it's not been beaten to death, it's the very core of the problem.
If you cannot top off common items by any non-game breaking means, you can either
1) change the items so people who hit the level cap can progress their character's development (= changing numbers)
2) change the system, which involves shuffling numbers/stats (which is essentially (1))

Wurm · 01-22-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Phrozen

You could have, but yet again (ok I'm nitpicking now!) you're example is poor. No raider should go OOM, they come should come prepared with clickies to keep power up (Clarity Potions, Power roots, Shards/Hearts, Power proc gear, etc) if they really have power issues, and most've the Legendary gear has Manawell or whatever procs on them if you really had power issues, swap out your Fabled for Legendary that procs you power!

LOL I know... I was just trying to say more stats is always better.

And it makes even more of a difference while your outside the Raid Instance. Or do you raid 24/7? There just isn't that much content

Catseyes · 01-22-2008, 08:02 AM

@OP :cancel your account asap plz.
I hate people calling on nerf , they harm all the community.
Work on YOUR stuff, ask IMPROVEMENTS, dont call nerf down the others ones, kthxbye. We are already vendoring 99% of the non raid stuff, we dont want to play for 100 % quest crap.

we re spending days grinding instance wood and praying for the only good thing to drop, and when it drops, to win the roll . We earn with all that time spent , to get something valuable.

Phrozen · 01-22-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Wurm

Or do you raid 24/7?

No, 2 off-nights inc

And it doesn't make any difference outside of raid instances. The group content is easy.

Anduri · 01-22-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

@OP :cancel your account asap plz.
I hate people calling on nerf , they harm all the community.
Work on YOUR stuff, ask IMPROVEMENTS, dont call nerf down the others ones, kthxbye. We are already vendoring 99% of the non raid stuff, we dont want to play for 100 % quest crap.

we re spending days grinding instance wood and praying for the only good thing to drop, and when it drops, to win the roll . We earn with all that time spent , to get something valuable.

Did you even bother reading any of the previous posts? The whole point is that they can make the numbers as big as they like, with the diminishing returns curve it means nothing as you can cap out your stats on treasured/legendary.

That means you either lower the stats on legendary or raise the bar on diminishing returns, which all amounts to the same thing.

For what its worth, I'm in a casual guild and agree totally with the OP. Anyone can see its pointless putting a raid force together when the best loot is found in instances or even dropping off soloable mobs in overland zones.

Fuschia Finery, Praetors Guard, Symbol of the Eaten, Coil of Vile Spawn, Tormented Bracelet of Doom, Burdenerd Signet. All examples of items rendering pretty much all raid gear obsolete in that slot. Not to mention the wretched Bone Clasped Girdle and Mystical Orb of the Invoker which it seems I will never be shot of.

I mean, how hard is it to take the effect on the Orb and stick T8 fabled stats on it?? Sure, the stats mean nothing but at least it would be some sort of upgrade.

Firza · 01-22-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

@OP :cancel your account asap plz.
I hate people calling on nerf , they harm all the community.
Work on YOUR stuff, ask IMPROVEMENTS, dont call nerf down the others ones, kthxbye. We are already vendoring 99% of the non raid stuff, we dont want to play for 100 % quest crap.

we re spending days grinding instance wood and praying for the only good thing to drop, and when it drops, to win the roll . We earn with all that time spent , to get something valuable.

Since everything is relative the OP probably seriously could not care less if they nurf legendary, or boost fabled gear.

Neither would you care if they nerfed all gear, and still have some relative better rare drops in instances. Your game play would not be affected. You would still be doing instances for that one piece thats better then your current gear. Eventhough it would not be as good anymore as it is now.....relative....a good word to remember

edit to say : lol, /huggle Anduri.....faster then me anytime

Edwin Ahe · 01-22-2008, 08:34 AM

I will repeat myself again: We don`t need Dimishing Returns!
Maybe I should even make a sig or avatar "No Diminishing Returns in `08"

Wurm · 01-22-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Phrozen

No, 2 off-nights inc

And it doesn't make any difference outside of raid instances. The group content is easy.

It makes a huge difference if you spend your off time duoing with a short-bus ranger, trust me lol

I think my duoing partner spends all of his time while offline trying to come up with new ways to get me killed in game

Illuminator · 01-22-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Wurm

Diminishing returns is also a bullshit mechanic that has no place in a intelligently programmed game but that argument has already been beaten to death and turned into soap.

Diminishing returns is one of the first things I was taught in my high school economics class. It's everywhere in the universe. Applying that concept to stats was never the problem. Asking for 55 stat on a T8 item demonstrates what was the problem actually was.