YOUR Top Five Guilds WW - Page 8

Widem · 01-25-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Niber

ChelDrak was pretty amazing too. I'm not sure if it was because I was in a casual guild or not but I remember a feeling of accomplishment that hasn't been rivaled since.

Maybe we just need less expansions and more adventure packs.

The problem was even Cheldrak was a joke...everyone killed him the day they zoned in after they nerfed him.

Oizen · 01-25-2008, 01:50 PM

Sorry folks, Defiance on Permafrost takes WW#1 today.

aduros · 01-25-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Niber

ChelDrak was pretty amazing too. I'm not sure if it was because I was in a casual guild or not but I remember a feeling of accomplishment that hasn't been rivaled since.

Maybe we just need less expansions and more adventure packs.

It just needs competent raid designers, and thought out mechanics.

Slippery · 01-25-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Widem

TTR Mayong can only be killed through exploiting. Devs try to fix it, but simply are to dumb to figure it out. The problem is never fixed and still exists.

AoM put into the game...he is compltely exploitable using xtra groups, people use this, as well as the key aspect of the fight assigning vision is broken. They add and subtract AEs like candy. The Matronesqe competition desired by the raid community is ultimately never acheived.

Wanted to comment on these two points.

TnT is easily completable following what you would believe to be the script as intended (killing the statues while fighting queen and killing adds as they come during the mayong encounter).

AoM was not some hard encounter, it required an AA. The "god pet" bug that people are talking about where purple vision goes to a pet is simply not the case. Never once did we stop using god pets, the problem with purple vision is the same cause as the dog disappearing on War, and it has nothing to do with pets.

SD killed the same Mischief NPU and Paradigm did, and the only reason SD didn't do it first is because we had a defiler who wouldn't spec Hexation because he thought it didn't matter. We had consistently got him down farther than anyone else time and time again, and then literally first pulled it after he respec'd to hexation. I wish I had recorded Vent on the pull we killed it, because everyone just sitting there in amazement at how retardedly easy the encounter was. We lost the ww1 on it simply because we handed it away.

Edit: The Russian guild on Barren Sky would be extremely competitive if they got content at the same time as U.S. servers.

Widem · 01-25-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippery

TnT is easily completable following what you would believe to be the script as intended (killing the statues while fighting queen and killing adds as they come during the mayong encounter).

Are you refering to now at lvl 80 or in EoF at lvl 70 b/c i never heard of anyone busting their ass going through ttr trying to kill mayong with all the adds.

Gaige · 01-25-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Widem

Everyone really needs to be completely honest with themselves.

There has not been an EPIC WW race since the Fallen Dynasty Matron Encounter.

Since then the milestones have been...

Instanced Mayong...requiring outside objects in order to finish the encounter.

Wuoshi...Whoever could get to gardener as fast as possible before server lag became to unbearable for perma charms and double AEs.

Avatars...Random spawn times making no real timetable kill noteworthy as well as distict differences in difficulty between them...not to mention some were broken.

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The mass nerfing of AEs occur leading to everyone in game killing everything.
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PHH is fixed, b/c once again an epic put into live broken, where everyone and their mother kills it in the next 24-48 hours.

Contested Mayong is Fixed and is killed in less than 5 pulls by numerous guilds over the next 3 days.

TTR Mayong can only be killed through exploiting. Devs try to fix it, but simply are to dumb to figure it out. The problem is never fixed and still exists.

AoM put into the game...he is compltely exploitable using xtra groups, people use this, as well as the key aspect of the fight assigning vision is broken. They add and subtract AEs like candy. The Matronesqe competition desired by the raid community is ultimately never acheived.

VP is realeased with content that is easier and far more boring than a bunch of t1-3 zones, and are compltely exploitable. The only good encounter Silverwing seems such a small success in comparison to the overall VP. Phara Dar is broken fixed where then everyone starts killing it.

And once again people got stuck with Raid content available that is broken...

Competition is dead there is no constant whatsoever left.

Oh please, if you look at encounters that way there never was a race, ever. Shit has been broken/changing since T5. Wrath of Fury anyone? DMP totally broken until the very end of KoS. Matron deemed impossible and not killed until numerous changes. Using Death Coordination on Chel'Drak? Spirits of the Lost having a TOTALLY broken end encounter which fucked guilds who went in early resulting in them being locked out when it was fixed. Etc, etc.

You just like to think that there was "noteworthy" competition around the Matron era because that is when Dissolution was really competitive.

That doesn't just magically change that encounters in this game have been fucked since launch. Numerous changes have went in, numerous exploits have been used for WW1sts.

We might as well discount all of DoF since you're trying to discount all of EoF and RoK. Tynirical Mind anyone? Malice WW1sted basically that entire expansion using that bug, except DMP which couldn't be killed that way.

You either compete in the fucked up environment or you don't, you don't say its only competition when you're being competitive, because that is fucking lame.

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Originally Posted by Slippery

AoM was not some hard encounter, it required an AA. The "god pet" bug that people are talking about where purple vision goes to a pet is simply not the case. Never once did we stop using god pets, the problem with purple vision is the same cause as the dog disappearing on War, and it has nothing to do with pets.

/shrug

All I know is we went from wiping when no one was purple and we got overwhelmed with adds we couldn't see to kill to saying NO FUCKING PETS and killing it literally the next pull w/o one purple bug the entire time.

Coincidence I suppose.

Gonzo · 01-25-2008, 03:47 PM

WW1st in this game or any game is a fucking joke. Just because you do something first doesn't mean your the best. If you really wanted to find out who the best guild is, put all your asses on a PvP server and go to war. That is the only way you will really be able to claim who is the best. Sitting on your isolated isle of a server and claim to be the first to figure out an encounter and then beat it doesn't make you the best.

Widem · 01-25-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaige

You just like to think that there was "noteworthy" competition around the Matron era because that is when Dissolution was really competitive.

Or b/c the matron that was defeated hadnt been nerfed in quite some time and then still wasnt trivial.

But if you remember correctly Disso wasnt the first to defeat the matron legitamately it was SD, so whatver.

Not to mention even if you wanted to fucking blunder along what you were trying to say from just that list Disso was top 5 in everything, first in 4 and second in 2....It really wasnt some bitchfest...

And accusing me of saying only everything matron and before mattered b/c Its b/c that was when Disso was good is retarded b/c I wasnt even in guild in t5-most of t7.

Euron Greyjoy · 01-25-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippery

Wanted to comment on these two points.

TnT is easily completable following what you would believe to be the script as intended (killing the statues while fighting queen and killing adds as they come during the mayong encounter).

AoM was not some hard encounter, it required an AA. The "god pet" bug that people are talking about where purple vision goes to a pet is simply not the case. Never once did we stop using god pets, the problem with purple vision is the same cause as the dog disappearing on War, and it has nothing to do with pets.

SD killed the same Mischief NPU and Paradigm did, and the only reason SD didn't do it first is because we had a defiler who wouldn't spec Hexation because he thought it didn't matter. We had consistently got him down farther than anyone else time and time again, and then literally first pulled it after he respec'd to hexation. I wish I had recorded Vent on the pull we killed it, because everyone just sitting there in amazement at how retardedly easy the encounter was. We lost the ww1 on it simply because we handed it away.

Edit: The Russian guild on Barren Sky would be extremely competitive if they got content at the same time as U.S. servers.

Not speccing for an AA that obviously completely changes the encounter isn't an oversight; it's a sign of utter incompetence (not from you specifically, but your defiler). Mastering your class includes knowing what each of your AA's do and their benefits; here I was thinking that each person in SD was skilled, but alas...

I'm just glad that I got the single most useless AA ability nerfed in the span of a few weeks.

Euron Greyjoy · 01-25-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

WW1st in this game or any game is a fucking joke. Just because you do something first doesn't mean your the best. If you really wanted to find out who the best guild is, put all your asses on a PvP server and go to war. That is the only way you will really be able to claim who is the best. Sitting on your isolated isle of a server and claim to be the first to figure out an encounter and then beat it doesn't make you the best.

Dude, stop talking. Playing PVP doesn't take skill. It takes patience.

You can't simply equate PVP skill to PVE skill; sure, killing players instead of AI is hard in its own way, but say that to the PVPers on Nagafen who STILL haven't fucking killed Wuoshi.