Azleya

Lol, well personally I find it exceedingly difficult to remain perfectly calm and respectful in the face of such extreme and persistent idiocy and inability to understand and remember what I've said. There's simply no way one can be expected to continue to treat others as intellectual equals when those others consistently misunderstand, don't remember, or take grossly out of context things that the person has clearly explained multiple times. In fact, I would say it is demeaning to the person to continue to treat those others as equals under such circumstances. When people can actually have reasonable discussions with me in which they understand wtf I am saying and make legitimate and intelligent points in response, I will treat them as equals and drop the condescension, but I will not treat as an equal someone whom I feel is clearly speaking like an idiot. Case in point, while Arabel and several others have said a lot of idiotic shit in this thread and annoyingly repeated shit I already addressed, he raised one decent point recently about the potential effect of a ranger class capable of consistent #1 dps over anyone else on the overall balance between a mage dps group and a scout dps group. When addressing this matter, I dropped the attitude and simply addressed it because it was new territory and a fairly reasonable point to raise.

Fomka

make em fix arrows + hit rate problems first, then brag about what your class needs. seeing how well rangers are doing atm in yellow zones, I can imagine how extremly well they will be doing with fixed arrows (or bows, w/e the problem is).
And so what, most ppl playing different classes cant touch those numbers. Whats your point there?

Rhymez

WTF are you smoking ? So a summoner pulling a 4k zonewide doesnt deserve a spot in a raidforce atm ?

If theres a onee class atm I wouldnt bring to a raid its a Ranger as theyre a waste of space currently

I dont have to build a group around the Summoner to make him work as we would have to do that for you , Illu Wizard and Troubador
and guess what everyone in that group benefit more of each other

than the Inquis Illu and Dirge in your group

oh yea send the illu in meleeing even after fixed arrow mechanics and hit rates the illu would perform in a mage group with one dps scout better and it would benefit the whole group in a better setup

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Azleya

The point is that, as far as I know, no ranger is doing better than I am atm, and so if I can't touch those numbers, I'm quite certain no ranger can, and so there exists an imbalance in the relative potentials of the classes.

Even if summoners can do pretty good dps, sorcerors can do more and also have more utility (shards/hearts suck as utility these days).

Rhymez

they still dont need the stacked groups to dps to be on par with you :P

and if u still think that 4k zonewides aint good enough well thats then not my fucking problem that Strike doesnt run summoners
you should it adds up nothing to loose there
and FFS stop sucking Jaraxxx cock

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Fomka

Sorry, but if you think that you are the best ranger in game, it doesnt mean that your class cant be played better. I remember in EoF most people werent able to touch Renavens numbers, in KoS prolly there was a good dpsing person too. It just means that there always will be a person better than you, and he might play different class.

Rhymez

nah Azleyas DPS will never be touched Fom you should know hes The One

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Azleya

Obviously these issues can't really be settled definitively and I wouldn't be so bold as to claim that I'm the absolute best, but I'm highly confident that the ranger class can't be played significantly better than I play it. When evaluating classes, all I have is the parse data I actually have. That data is what I have to use to draw conclusions, and it doesn't make sense to assume that the top players of one class are simply better players than the top players of another class. There's simply no basis for that.

Rhymez

ive never heard of any Ranger getting your setup tbh thats barely in a guild happening
can ask around but no Ranger somewhere else gets a Inquis dirge illu for buffing so take this into account please aswell and there are maybe Rangers who can perform better than you they just dont get your setup

you should probably stick the epeen back
oh and btw stop sucking Jaraxx's cock

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Azleya

There are other rangers who get my setup.

And furthermore if no other rangers are getting that setup, or if it's rare, isn't that an indication of the relative non-viability of scout dps groups and thus of the ranger class, or conversely, the relative non-viability of the ranger class and thus of scout dps groups? I mean if current balance is such that it doesn't make sense to give a ranger optimal buffs so that he can do his full dps potential, why bring a ranger at all when the spot he would take in a mage group would be better taken advantage of by a mage, or the spot he would take in the OT group would be better taken by someone who benefits that group? Basically, the only place it could make sense to put a ranger in a raid is in a dedicated scout dps group, and so the existence of such a group must be viable in order for the ranger to have any place in a raid. In order for that group to be viable, its members must collectively bring a sufficient combination of dps and utility. Essentially what I'm getting at is that rangers clearly need to be better than they currently are for their class and the whole concept of scout dps groups to be viable.