Jourdelune

I agree with you.

Actually, with a good melee group setup, pred > caster if the caster group didn't get is trouby + illu. If your ass can't outparse a wizard with a bad group, well... I will refrain to use the nuts argument.

So, stop fighting, you are right. Pred all alone > Sorcerer all alone.

Why? Pred get auto-attack + double attack. (no need to complains about the chains... double attack is the stat that bring the Fighter DPS in PAR with T2 DPS classes)

Casters don't get either of that to do their damage. So, that freaking int buff, I would trade it for Multi-CAST.

;)

Jourdelune

Azleya

Welcome to eq2, where several classes are overpowered.

Yea, rogues and illusionists do really great dps for the utility they bring, but can you tell me why that should be the case? These classes are clearly far superior to predators as choices for an optimal raid.

If we simply ignore utility when determining how much dps various classes should do, then we might as well throw the whole concept of class balance out the door because we would be saying that it's ok for some classes to unequivocally bring more to the table than other classes. So don't argue that utility shouldn't be a consideration. It's a pretty retarded argument.

Slippery

So instead of trying to bring class balance into line you'd rather just be overpowered also?

When the issues with your class get fixed you will not have dps problems.

Grouper

FUCKING WRONG SHIT TARDS. It was stated long long fucking long ago that wizards and warlocks are the defeacto #1 DPS in the game, or at least that was suposed to be the idea. Its the end of the disgusion there as far as i am conserned.

If your going to weigh the balance of out int buff your a fucking dumb shit if your not going to balance it out against EVERYHTING else, you fucking pick and chose w/e the fuck you want and decide to have thigns your way just because you nigated every thign else. if I have to explain everything else(the diff between a mage aand a scout) then fucking kill your self.

Its these exact shit head idea and complaints centered around false logic that are the cause of half the fuck up "balances" made in this game.

Azleya

What I really want to know is where are you getting this shit from? I make these statements and you completely misinterpret them or take them out of context to make it something else.

First of all, the statements I have made are about what should be, not about what is or what may be in the future after certain fixes. Second, this thread is primarily about predator vs. sorceror. All I have argued is that given the current utilities of these classes, predators (and especially rangers) need to do more dps than sorcerors in order to be desirable because predators bring less utility. If you prefer that predators and sorcerors do essentially equal dps, predator utility needs to be brought in line with sorceror utility. This is also a viable solution to the balance between these classes. I have never argued that predators should be given utility on the order of what rogues or illusionists have.

Since you seem to want to know where I stand on how rogues and illusionists fit into this balance, I will comment on this. I see these classes as being overpowered atm (assuming fixed hit rates vs. orange for melee relative to mage). They do a lot of dps and bring a ton of utility, and are thus overall above and beyond any other dps or utility class. I would say that the dps of these classes needs to be toned down. Bringing all the other classes up to their standard is less practical, as this would require a re-tuning of raid (and probably other) encounters.

Azleya

Simply stating that sorcerors have always been the "de-facto #1 DPS" is not a compelling argument. Why should this be the case from the perspective of the relative raid desirability of the various classes?

aduros

It was stated Sorcerer/Predator, not Warlock/Wizard.

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Symbolic

How's it feel to be wrong?

Orochan

It was also stated that sorcerer/pred were #1 in regards to every other class in the game. In this topic we are merely discussing 4 classes, not 24. So his point is even more invalid.

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Grouper

How does if fell to be a fag? The devs actualy made a fucking dps chart that had wiz/war/sorc at the fucking top with preds just below them. They posted this some time around the release of DoF. Now go fuck your self.

It gets back to fucking thing of it all. Preds were never ment to have hier DPS because sorc have buffs. Infact it leaned way the other way because preds have more mit than cloth wearers do.

To say that preds should be her than sorc because we have a buff is stupid. Nobody invites a sorc because of their buff. Quite afew people have ass's just because they need some hate transfer.

And besides that, sorcs get allot of ther things non dps related besides just our buffs.

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