Azleya

If you actually knew shit you would know that that chart has been openly scrapped by the devs. Thus, it is of no significance. Furthermore, we are talking about what should be, not what the devs say is or should be. As far as I'm concerned, the devs are far from always right. So please, try to back up your argument with something more than a poorly done chart from over 2 years ago that does nothing more than present someone else's opinion at the time.

Orochan

Again, I don't care whether the mages utility is god fucking awesome or piss fucking poor, that is not the point I am making.


l2r.

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Rhymez

first of all Rouges are where they should be
the classes havent changed that much since t6

in t5 the Brigand was advertised as a high single target dps class
in t6 they decided to make us debuff bots

the same accounts for swashs and no our dps shouldnt be toned down
prolly the DW to one hand change added a significant boost

but imo Rouges dont have to be toned down

Assassins everyone who claims that theyre not where they should be is a Moron as this class does a ridiculous amount of dps atm that is imo fine as they dont bring much more than a hate transfer and some minor debuffs to the table

Rangers actually need the arrow mechanic fix , they need to get their self aggro degain changed again to where it was before and the hit percentages have to be adjusted , Id also say that a truely skilled Ranger in a stacked group doesnt really have an Issue to beat Rouges on the parse in a stacked group on yellow con mobs

and Warlocks seriously everyone who thinks they need a boost in what they excel at which is AE/AoE dps is a Moron aswell Ive yet to see a Swashbuckler breaking 9k dps AoE

Wizards hmm well maybe they need some more single target nukes or some upgrade to their dots since when u look at those theyre here and there pretty weak , Ball of Magma Fission and Bolt of Ice are the only real nukes they got everything else is imo a bit weak

Illusionist yeah they bring a lot of buffs to a raid but the way they achieve their dps isnt that easymode as the most here think it is
they have to spam cast and regulate their power fulltime
they have Venril Sathir like fights period , and they suffer the most from all classes from lag

another point why melee should be over mages is the fact we need a ton of consumables for our dps plus as already said we have to be in position to make us work where mages have anywhere attacks
and they do not suffer from aggro pulling as long as the scouts do

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Cochy

What rock have you been living under? Even when I do my absolute best parses in VP (Decap crits, FF crits) I still lose to our Warlocks. While I agree that Assassin's are for the most part fine once you get to VP it all changes.

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Searril

When you have to start paying money out of your pocket twice every time you attack then you'll have a leg to stand on. As long as Rangers have to pay for both poisons and arrows on every attack they should be #1 DPS class.

Cast

If you are calling a group int buff utility, then you need to call hate transfers and management utility.

Look at deaggros between sorcerers and predators. Here is predator utility.

I would trade my group buff for a hate transfer or consistent deaggro. It is the price a sorcerer pays; have a few bad group buffs (excluding propagations) and be completely dependent on other classes to manage aggro.

I agree that both classes should be on the top of the parses; but so far I have yet to see an argument that convinces me that predators should always top sorcerers. Right now sorcerers are very dependent on a troubador to manage hate, where as predators are far less group dependent.

As far as armor differences and raid survivability; sure, armor means little in an epic fight, however I can remember countless times where a predator pulled aggro and was able to successfully drop the mob before death, whereas for a sorcerer pulling aggro and surviving rarely happens.

No matter what changes between the two archetypes one archetype is always going to complain. We should instead focus on getting problems fixed with each class. I do agree that something needs to be done on hit-rates versus orange mobs for melee classes.

Edit: another problem that needs to be fixed is the size of the hit box on the epic mobs, particularly in VP. Rangers should not have to be halfway across the zone to use bow attacks.

Rhymez

I forgot to include all melees into the hit percentage problem
but dont tell me ur doing worse than a rouge in vp
ur still doin a tonload ca dmg and I havent noticed a huge CA miss rate so far in VP on flöoor 2 and 3
on yellow con u still pwon everyone coming u with hitrates now is hopefully not a try to tell me that Assassins need more love apart from the hit percentage fix which affects all melees
please turn your brain on next time before u post

AT Cast wtb my Brigand Deagro shit ?

Cast i havent seen a Ranger nor an Assassiin outparsin a warlock on a group encounter and everyone who claims Warlocks need help in he DPS department please consult a doctor , its currently just the lack of ae encounters that doesnt let u shine at all on the parse in theory VP is ofc whole other story

and seriously whining bitching mages in t8 shall just shut the fuck up
you can come back and whine again when melee is fixed
they could prolly reduce the cast times a little for sorcs thats imo the main issue since lu13

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Cast

Last I checked, Brigands were not predators. I could be wrong tho. I specifically stated predators (assassins and rangers). This thread is for predators/sorcerers, not rogues.

Rhymez

allright wanna buy the Ranger aggro degain then ? wish you a lot of fun stayin alive with it

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Cast

Sure.
Allakhazam.com: Everquest II: Item: Primal Agility (Master I)

I'm sure this link is outdated, I think I remember the percent being lowered. Even so, I would take it. (it is Ranger ability Primal Agility)