Originally Posted by Azleya

There are other rangers who get my setup.

And furthermore if no other rangers are getting that setup, or if it's rare, isn't that an indication of the relative non-viability of scout dps groups and thus of the ranger class, or conversely, the relative non-viability of the ranger class and thus of scout dps groups? I mean if current balance is such that it doesn't make sense to give a ranger optimal buffs so that he can do his full dps potential, why bring a ranger at all when the spot he would take in a mage group would be better taken advantage of by a mage, or the spot he would take in the OT group would be better taken by someone who benefits that group? Basically, the only place it could make sense to put a ranger in a raid is in a dedicated scout dps group, and so the existence of such a group must be viable in order for the ranger to have any place in a raid. In order for that group to be viable, its members must collectively bring a sufficient combination of dps and utility. Essentially what I'm getting at is that rangers clearly need to be better than they currently are for their class and the whole concept of scout dps groups to be viable.

Originally Posted by Fomka

Not every guild concentrate their setups around few dps classes so they could do their full dps potential. And I still dont understand why you think that rangers need more love, since arrows problems havent been fixed yet. If after the fix situation remains the same (and after hit rate fix if it ever happens) I would see your point, but not now.

Originally Posted by gungo

we run 3 dirges, 3 illus, and 2 inqusitors. Our ranger as well as every other person in raid gets the same exact setup.

We don't call it stacked we call it efficient raiding . illusionist by themselves if played well parse ~4k+ and bring more utility then summoners.

Originally Posted by Azleya

Yep, efficient raiding is what it is and we run the same except just 1 inq and then 2 temps for the tank groups. Unfortunately, this more melee-oriented setup just isn't viable atm, but hopefully it will be again after fixes/changes.

Originally Posted by fyreflyte

Fixed some stacking errors with Coil of the Vile Spawn, Praetor's Guard, and any items using the Soulsiphon and Lesser Soulsiphon effects. These items should no longer be preventing each other (or anything else) from procing at their designed rate.

An awesome coder also fixed Edict of the Whispered Word to allow casters to use AE spells while they had spell immunity up.

Lesser Fallout, Fallout, Lesser Blurry Image, Blurry Image, and Lethargy will no longer aggro npcs that are not in combat, and will not debuff you or your group members.

Were there any other majorly outstanding proc issues? I can't promise I'll have time to fix them right away, but I am trying to get as many of these little issues ironed out as I can.

These fixes should be in with the next hotfix. I hope

Originally Posted by gungo

we run 3 dirges, 3 illus, and 2 inqusitors. Our ranger as well as every other person in raid gets the same exact setup. Each scout gets max haste, high dps, and high double atks/crits.

We don't call it stacked we call it efficient raiding . illusionist by themselves if played well parse ~4k+ and bring more utility then summoners.

The conjuror may parse higher then the illusionist, but the entire raids parse drops because of the utility combined with the personal dps of a good illusionist.