Siennah

I was just about to post this.

I've tried every possible combination of soloing this mob and nothing works.

I haven't heard confirmation on whether mentoring works or not, but that would dumb if it did. I know it's ultimately an epic quest and all, but (as already stated) it just strikes me, personally, as dumb to require finishing a lvl 60 quest to fulfill a step of another that's 25 levels higher.

I second that /boggle

tracheaspider

All you idiots arguing the brigand requirements are reasonable seem to be singling out one element of the difficulty/unfairness of this and then mocking the brigands for being upset. It's an equation and when you add it up, it equals "SOE fucked brigands" (till the alternative methods of getting the updates go in).

You have to consider ALL the following:

• Having to do a grey quest or two (or more) is reasonable enough, and brigands have to do this. But the thing with the grey quests is they are guaranteed success for x amount of time and effort put in, not nearly so RNG based as the rest of this BS.
• None of the three dropped robes are "quest updates" in the sense that they will drop off of grey mobs; they are normal equippable gear items and only drop when the mob cons and you get lucky.
• The fact that these are tradeable means that the second everyone else heard about this step, prices went insane. Why should brigands have to pay 500p+ if to buy these? No, they don't have to buy them, but why should they suffer and other people get to profit off of a bad and imbalanced choice by a dev?
• One robe is a rare drop off an instanced mob you need to mentor to kill. You can have others help you farm it, but you need enough people with access to PP and enough people of the right level to get the mob to con in order to do so. Lockout is what, 18 hours? How many times can a brigand practically get a try at this one?
• The other two robes are also very rare and off contested names (with placeholders) that require mentoring to get. I used to farm Skywatcher regularly when I was leveling my bruiser/defiler duo through low T7 and got him up 4 times and got the robe once out of all that. I never once saw the garb of souls while farming the lower reaches of SoS, though I killed that named at least 3 times. What this means is that while it might be trivial to make the kill itself, it's in no way trivial to spend the time camping these mobs, especially with dozens of people competing with you for the kills.

So... at best you have: grey HQ + (forced mentoring + lockouts) + 2x(forced mentoring + contested named) = how the fuck could this ever be reasonable?

Slippery

You don't have to mentor anymore.

Taear

I'm just bothered that some quests have proper clues and some don't. Sure it's pretty damn retarded that the Brigand epic requires those robes but at least it tells you.
Every single step in the Berserker epic is the same, it's "Find this item somewhere on this continent". The FIRST STEP tells you to find it 'somewhere in Norrath'.
How the fuck is that reasonable? I don't mind reading guides but hey, I'd like to have the ability to work it out for myself and at the moment I really really don't.

TANGARTH

Most of the people who are say it's okay are the ones who haven't had to do the harder ones

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TheEasternking

Do you even have a clue ? soloing greys for updates ? you mean like guards having to do HQ's that are grey for there quest ? holy shit they dont actually get updates on them HQ's for killing GREY MOBS /falls out of chair. (disclaimer im hearing Raincaller wont update grey, ie very last step killing the epic in LP,but that is only one and its one step.)
please get a clue and next time you want to post, write it out ...think about it for a few hours ...re read it and see if you are actually making a valid point or just an ass of yourself.

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pagansaint

Wondering if you can answer....

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Ouch.

Pinski

Be happy your quest doesn't have multiple mobs that just do not respawn without a zone reset. THAT is cockblocking. Not this mentor a lower-level to get a chest drop.

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Hexus

I don't see how mentoring down, which is plausible, possible, and even normally done on some servers...

Is any worse than a Raider being made to go back and do a Heritage Quest that wasn't even worth doing when it came out. I was level 70 with Rigid Scale Bow by the time most people were doing Raincaller and why the hell would I bother to go back and do it?

Now I do bother to go back and do it because it's being forced down my throat like I'm the fresh fish in prison, and the fucking quest mob is broken and there is no way to damage him.

That's Cockblocking, tbh.

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tracheaspider

Learn to read. You're comparing one small part to the whole. No matter how irritating to your tender raider sensibilities, when you're going back to do grey quests, you do steps a, b, c, d, and then you're done with it, no problem. You're guaranteed your item or update within x amount of time (give or take an hour if you need a particular named, most of which spawn fast these days) by the nature of it coming from a quest. On the other hand, mentoring to get a random drop off a contested or instanced mob means you might be doing one step over 4 times, 40 times or maybe 400 times before you can move on to the next step. So it's not the mentoring that's really at issue; it's that mentoring further complicates something that's ridiculous to start with.

Go ahead and be irritated with what you had to do, but don't make out like it's anywhere as bad as what brigands are faced with sans a workaround. If you still don't get it, go help a brig get those robes the hard way and then come back and say your HQ was just as bad.