sig1043

Good. But somehow I don't believe you will actually blow 40+ plat on em, when they are optional equipment in your book.

There is an enormous difference between raid equipment and the goggles. You can get any instanced or dungeon loot with non-raid armor. You can't see or harvest blue shineys without the goggles. Perhaps you do need some eyewear...

The day I see the good honest man that is Jesse Jackson encourage his fellow men to go out and do their honest to god, fair share work to earn their lot in life rather than hold out their hands for what they are "entitled to", is the day I vote for Jesse Jackson for president.

Snooppy

Grats on finding a typo! Would you like a cookie?

I couldn't give a rat's ass about blue shinies, one way or another. You wanting to use skewed standards to argue a point, however, is just plain fucking dumb. You go girl!

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Cuz

I was stating that your were cheer leading for what I consider faulty logic. Then I tried to explain to you that you hadn't read correctly what I had written.

Now it's my turn to fail. I fail to see how I skewed standards. Could you elaborate?

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Skylher

a transmuter spent way more plat to level that transmuter than anyone did on getting those goggles. (could they have hunted and solo'd for those items instead of buying off the broker,, sure they could, as could some classes could solo and get their own shiny's)

if you have ever defaulted loot to a transmuter (or had it defaulted to you as one) and rolled on the item it created then you are a hypocrite plain and simple.

you dont have the skill to transmute you shouldn't get a chance at rolling on the byproduct, but i am betting you roll for that powder/infusion/fragment just the same.

therefore someone who doesnt have the goggles is just as "entitled" to that blue shiny as you are that transmuted item.

Cuz

Are you forcing the transmuter to destroy something he would want to equip? The transmuter will destroy something that is useless to the group and make it useful.

To be similar to transmuting, the blue shinny, upon collecting, would check to see if the person collecting it already has it in the collection. If yes, then it goes to the group for rolling.

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Snooppy

That same transmuter, if greedy enough, could just roll on the loot and transmute whatever he/she won leaving the other roll winners with a 20g vendor prize! In essence, you're forcing the transmuter to possibly make another toon a few plat richer.

Your original argument centers on effort = entitlement. Don't suddenly make it a "waste not, want not" kind of argument. I mean, for the transmuter's group you suddenly have a happy socialist atmosphere where the 'muter will break something down "that is useless to the group and make it useful", because that is what you expect of the transmuter.

So, you've run around Kunark, most of it open areas, picking up shinies, buying a few off of the broker and "Voila!" you're the proud new owner of a pair of expert recogonition goggles. Now you're in a group, in deep Seb, or wherever, and your time spent running around Jarsath or buying crap off of the broker suddenly entitles you to pick up some loot and keep it for yourself. Then, when that pair of Fur-Lined Slippers drops again the transmuter is, by complete and utter default, expected to mute it and let the rest of the group roll on the infusion. It is only by your own standards and expectations that the transmuter should do this for the good of the group.

At then end of the day, this is something that can (and, gasp!, should perhaps?) be just as easily worked out while the group is forming up. Its not fucking rocket science. The real problem, here, is that now you will have to discuss with the group ahead of time that you do not want to arbitrarily random all blue shinies - rather than just keeping quiet and doing the ol' ninja shuffle to the shiny when the mob hits 20%. Good luck with that whole human interaction and negotiation thing. Word on the street is it is somewhat useful outside of MMORPGs.

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Cuz

Even if he needs those slippers as an upgrade?

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Snooppy

In this hypothetical group, did you discuss this ahead of time? Did you work out NBG, 'muting expectations, etc...? If so, then you should also have taken the time to work out what happens with the blue shinies. If your group is amenable to the fact that because you put in the time you should get dibs on the shiny, then grats! If not, then you'll either have to ditch the group or concede.

To shout and holler that this simple and "aesthetic" type change in mechanics is horrible and robs goggle wearers of what they are entitled to is pretty pathetic. Its just the usual "Sony fucking sucks!" line that comes up time and time again because people like to bitch.

Just don't think of it, or anything else, as being automatic just because you think you deserve it or could, at one point in time, ninja it while others were busy.

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Cuz

Would you roll on something that the transmuter could equip because you excpect him to transmute it and give you the results?

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Snooppy

If I were a greedy mofo, I just might. Doubt the 'muter would be inclined to break it down for me at that point, however. I see the "sneaky" logic you are attempting here, btw. This logic, however, fails to address any of the points I have emphasized.

You must remember, in the original point given, we were discussing no-trade items.

Remember, too, that in a situation where you are the sole goggle-wearer in the group, the shiny is an "upgrade" rest of the group in most cases.

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