Who says what is "Intended"?

Crabbok · 02-29-2008, 02:41 PM

This was inspired by the ethics thread in this section, so I wanted to make a separate thread for it.

It has always sorta pissed me off when I would hear someone accuse someone of exploiting or cheating because they did an encounter in a manner that was not the way it was "Intended". A little voice in my head would always ask "Well how do they know the official way that an encounter is intended?".

Example, back in T6, my guild was the first (that I know of) guidl to do pedastal of sky and kill it by burning ONE dragon down, healing through the AoE, and then kill the other dragon. I had recieved tells from many people, claiming that that is not how the encounter was intended, and taht kinda started this whol thought in my head.

Who is the player that decides how an encounter is intended? Why is it that people seem to insist that there cannot be multiple ways to kill a mob? If there is a mob that summons adds, and you pull him to a location that is far away from where the adds would spawn, and they do not end up coming to the raid as a result, is that intended or not? If not then how do you really know? Perhaps the adds did not see the master so they simply went back home.

I don't mean to sound silly, because I"m sure for MOST of the encounters out there, we can all agree on how it works and how it's intended... but there seems to be a grey area to me. Who really has the right to declare how a mob is truly intended? I say none of us, Until Sony has a pop up window detailing the intended mechanics for each mob you prepare to fight, then there really is no "intended" way...

sloppy · 02-29-2008, 02:47 PM

how about killing matron in like 15 seconds i bet that was intended :P

Gaige · 02-29-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Crabbok

If there is a mob that summons adds, and you pull him to a location that is far away from where the adds would spawn, and they do not end up coming to the raid as a result, is that intended or not? If not then how do you really know? Perhaps the adds did not see the master so they simply went back home.

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Yes you're right. Obviously the devs would purposely make an encounter where the only thing that makes it hard is adds, and then purposefully make the leash range on adds shorter than it is on the named, so all people would have to do is think outside the box and pull the named 17 rooms away so they could do the encounter as intended.

ANYONE with a brain could pull the encounter, wipe to the adds a few times and go "this would be way easier without adds". That isn't rocket science. But neither is the fact that the encounter was made to be fought with adds. So leashing them and fighting the named alone isn't intended and is in fact weaksauce.

IIRC the big stink over your Pedestal kill wasn't that you burned one down and then the other, it was that you exploited LOS issues with running towards the wall constantly by the mirrors on the sides of the room to NEGATE the AE (because it wasn't possible to heal through it iirc) and burn them down seperately.

That AE (similiar to a lot of the avatars new AEs, or Nexonas "too much or not enough dps" AE) was put there to let you know that you fucked up and weren't doing the script as intended.

The intended way was to dual tank the dragons and dps them while keeping their HP within 5%. If you did this, you didn't get the "HEY YOU'RE A FUCKING NUB THIS AE IS GOING TO KILL YOU" AE.

I remember quite vividly you claiming that you healed through the AE while everyone else claiming it was kicking the fuck out of their raids.

I also remember you and your guild exploiting the shit out of DoF and the Mara adventure pack. You exploited both raid mobs in it.

So in the end, I think the conclusion should be you think there is a gray area because you're an exploiter.

Similiar to guys thinking fucking other guys in their muddy assholes is fun because they're homosexual.

Pinski · 02-29-2008, 02:55 PM

Actually gaige, you didn't exploit LoS issues with the AE. You just sat out of range of the AE. Yes, the AE range was too small. 5m more, and you'd be hit by it everytime.

Although, I could see a really really good warden healing through the AE if they didn't run into power issues, which at the time you really didn't have very much power gear to go on.

But, what did they do to exploit Chel'Drak? Death Coordination is pretty much just gimping an encounter, not exactly exploiting.

Shinzul · 02-29-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Crabbok

If there is a mob that summons adds, and you pull him to a location that is far away from where the adds would spawn, and they do not end up coming to the raid as a result, is that intended or not?

Read between the lines... Did they or did they not hotfix the encounter so that the named leashes with the adds...

They did?

Oh, I suppose then that leashing them wasn't really intended.

Hellloooooooooo....

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Originally Posted by Gaige

So in the end, I think the conclusion should be you think there is a gray area because you're an exploiter.

Similiar to guys thinking fucking other guys in their muddy assholes is fun because they're homosexual.

Ok that's gross, but that's some serious ownage.

Crabbok · 02-29-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaige

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ANYONE with a brain could pull the encounter, wipe to the adds a few times and go "this would be way easier without adds". That isn't rocket science. But neither is the fact that the encounter was made to be fought with adds. So leashing them and fighting the named alone isn't intended and is in fact weaksauce.

But isn't that the way Mayong is done in TnT? My point is, why is it ok to fight one enocunter with adds and another encounter without? Who is the source to say what is right and wrong?

IIRC the big stink over your Pedestal kill wasn't that you burned one down and then the other, it was that you exploited LOS issues with running towards the wall constantly by the mirrors on the sides of the room to NEGATE the AE (because it wasn't possible to heal through it iirc) and burn them down seperately.
Stupid fag. we DID heal through it, and i don't give a flying fuck if you believe that or not. That version of EL was a powerhouse.

That AE (similiar to a lot of the avatars new AEs, or Nexonas "too much or not enough dps" AE) was put there to let you know that you fucked up and weren't doing the script as intended.
See thats what I'm talking about. You are one of these people who Stand up and Declare that "THIS IS HOW IT"S INTENDED!.. But who gave you that authority? Maybe theres another way?

The intended way was to dual tank the dragons and dps them while keeping their HP within 5%. If you did this, you didn't get the "HEY YOU'RE A FUCKING NUB THIS AE IS GOING TO KILL YOU" AE.
proves my point. We found a legit, new way to do it. So there CAN be multiple ways to kill.

I remember quit vividly you claiming that you healed through the AE while everyone else claiming it was kicking the fuck out of their raids.

I also remember you and your guild exploiting the shit out of DoF and the Mara adventure pack. You exploited both raid mobs in it.
First off, that was a 95% different roster, completely different guild, so lets not bring up old shit that don't matter. Yes that older version of EL used questionable strats on those Fallen Dynasty mobs, but that was a different guild.

So in the end, I think the conclusion should be you think there is a gray area because you're an exploiter.
fuck you, what did you do with that dirge that belonged to someone else anyways? you know thats against teh EULA right? Account sharing? hypocrite.

Similiar to guys thinking fucking other guys in their muddy assholes is fun because they're homosexual.

Gaige your stupid. You are not the authority to dictate to others how they shoudl play the game. My question is for everyone else. not you. you are a self-centered ego-maniac who can't keep his nose out of everyon's business. Shit I know peopel who met you at fan fair, and when I asked them what you were really like... they told me "Oh, he was pretty much all about "Gaige" and just wanted to talk about how awesome he was."

your sad dude... stay out of this thread please.

Laalon · 02-29-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sloppy

how about killing matron in like 15 seconds i bet that was intended :P

Nope, but it was damn funny to watch lmao

puffy · 02-29-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Although, I could see a really really good warden healing through the AE if they didn't run into power issues, which at the time you really didn't have very much power gear to go on.

Back in T6, my guild managed to heal thru the AE with Shaman , Cleric, Druid in each group(12 healers). If we dont have enough healers, we only zone 3 groups in...

Of course we realized how much of a retard we were and killed it the right way after 2 attempts lol.

Gaige · 02-29-2008, 03:12 PM

Fuck you I post where I want. No one cares about your opinion anyway. Let me tell you a story about opinions, there are two kinds and one matters.

There is mine, which is the correct one.

There is the one that disagrees with my stance. That is the incorrect one.

As for people meeting me at Fan Faire, wow lucky them. Plus I am all about me, that is because I am awesome. If you were me you'd be all about me too. Its just how it is.

I'm also going to have to send Phal a mean pm now, since your comment had to have been about her. Since I met her at FF and she is your guild leader. So mean to talk behind the back of the greatest EQ2 player ever.

The point is, you're stupid and I'm smart. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what is intended and what is not.

TNT isn't a parallel to leashing adds btw. You still had to kill the adds.

Crabbok · 02-29-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shinzul

Read between the lines... Did they or did they not hotfix the encounter so that the named leashes with the adds...

They did?

Oh, I suppose then that leashing them wasn't really intended.

Hellloooooooooo....

Dude,, for one i've never actually even done drussk, (however you spell it). my guild is still early in VP at the moment. We have been struggling to learn the new nexona fight, because we do NOT exploit.

My question wasn't in regards to any specific exploit, but more of a general question to ALL those gaige wannabee's out there who like to tell people that there is only one way that they are allowed to fry an egg.