Why I did this and how we can reach a compromise. - Page 17

Prof · 03-30-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Niber

Fucking 360, wish they'd cut out all the fucking first person shooters. The 360 controller blows for FPS.

PS3>xbox tbh. And while I don't own one of these yet, this is insane for console FPS games:
Amazon.com: Playstation 3 fragFX Controller: Video Games

Back on topic (i think), EQ2 really is about competition and fair play, just not on the same level as FPS games as far as direct competition goes.
The whole AoM scandal with 5 groups proves just how big a deal it is to people. If not competing for legit first kills, you still compete for legit kills on contested, even if you aren't lined up for pulls at each.
Competing against your previous best time/dps as you clear zones is also a big factor. With dkp, you even compete against your own guild for gear. Crafters compete for business through pricing and variety of stock in supply.

I'm having a hard time thinking of an aspect of the game where you aren't competing against someone or something to better yourself. And in every case, if you aren't doing it legit, noone is gonna say grats.

Devs should not be in a position to skew the competition in favor of their friends.

LFG · 03-30-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rell87

LMAO, then you just learned a valuable lesson, LFG. The Top of the Food Chain in any MMO is the Devs.

Wrong, they should not be part of the player equation at all, or should be completely invisible about their role as devs if they choose to play.

dakkota · 03-30-2008, 02:40 PM

I have a video game development course in college right now, and according to the books, SoE is pretty awful. We recently learned about the jobs/positions companies all hold for game testers and how important their role is in not letting the company release buggy software. It's just funny discussing all these fundamentals to game development, then going home and logging in to raid.

If the world were ran by SoE:

1. black fridays would cease to exist because all the employees would buy the stuff before it goes on shelves on the actual black Friday

2. No more Mcdonalds yearly monopoly contest as the winner each year for the million would be a McDoanlds employee

3. You could never be the 100th caller to a radio station because the DJ's would hold the lines and allow their buddies to call in and be the 100th caller everytime

4. The valedictorian for every High School would be a close tie among the teachers/principals kids

5. Pro Football would be the same

LFG · 03-30-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rell87

The Devs dont need you, the game doesnt need you, the players dont need you. You sullied your own reputation and damaged your own sites profitability. Next time, think before you act.

P.S. bitch: I'd do the exact same thing over again with the same facts and circumstances. The sad thing is, SOE would also.

Pryz · 03-30-2008, 03:26 PM

This thread has waaaaaay too much ass kissing. What's done is done go with it.

silentnomore · 04-02-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by phthalo

I wouldn't be surprised if this happened eventually. When people say that raiders are whiners and dicks.. what people don't consider is that raiders actually do go through the rest of the content in this game. They go through it fast and hardcore so that they can concentrate on the raiding aspect and get those WW firsts (that don't matter anymore.)

People skilled enough to get thru a Maidens group in under 30m with 1 healer or likewise Get to the bottom of Sebilis or Chardok.. to assist people with updates (for gear that doesn't matter anymore).

These kind of people don't ignore the rest of the server community by and large... these people will take people who are /lfg thru these super groups who might be impressed at that and learn a thing or two they didn't know before. Or maybe the general consensus that "X class sux because of whatever stupid uninformed reason" will be wiped away when people who do raid and go through non-raid group content with a group of skilled players.

The fact that there is raid content to strive to get better at your class or get better at working together to be able to accomplish is a goal that raider types have. The really vocal and knowledgeable spread tips and tricks and how-tos here on this site. SOE would be effectively taking away those goals and helpful people and you'll be left with at really boring game with every class able to solo their way thru all the lame content.

WORLD FIRST lmao what good is bragging world first when u have a dev spoon feeding the guild strats. People can boast and brag all they want but the devs not only cheapened themselves but also cheapened the game

Lesdat · 04-02-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

Wow.

This game is ALL about competition. What you fail to understand is that to the users of this site, our motivation to play this game is ENTIRELY based on how good our guild and gear is relative to other players.

In PVE, players do very hard and difficult things to maintain their relative superiority over players in other guilds.

On Nagafen where I play, players are SOLELY motivated by competition. For competitive reasons, we sometimes even camp zone entrances to block other players from progressing in this game, for the purpose of destroying their morale and maintaining our competitive edge.

Without competition, only crafters would play this game. You want a game without competition? Play Toon Town.

You seriously have no clue and lack any understanding of basic human nature and the need for a food chain in massively multiplayer online games.

Wow... way to bash the casual players. The first image that came to mind was thousands of people giving you the finger. To be frank, I'd join them after comments like this.

No one is diluded to play this game in a non-competative manner. YOU may choose so, OTHERS may choose so, but that is not the driving factor. There are many of us who have friends who are as close as family here. Many who's relationships began here have now grappled through online and made it to real life friendships.

In such development none of us play to compete. We play because we like the laughter and the thrill of the mob about to crush us. So before you stereo-type a community again, learn the whole picture? Crafters are not the only casual play here. Casual play is just that. Get on, get your drink, grab your snack, log in EQ2, log into voice chat, fun ensues... No less, no more. No competition.

Hexus · 04-02-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lesdat

Wow... way to bash the casual players. The first image that came to mind was thousands of people giving you the finger. To be frank, I'd join them after comments like this.

No one is diluded to play this game in a non-competative manner. YOU may choose so, OTHERS may choose so, but that is not the driving factor. There are many of us who have friends who are as close as family here. Many who's relationships began here have now grappled through online and made it to real life friendships.

In such development none of us play to compete. We play because we like the laughter and the thrill of the mob about to crush us. So before you stereo-type a community again, learn the whole picture? Crafters are not the only casual play here. Casual play is just that. Get on, get your drink, grab your snack, log in EQ2, log into voice chat, fun ensues... No less, no more. No competition.

I work for the Railroad, have for over 10 years. I can tell you that there is a damn sight of difference between your casual railroad enthusiast and the guy that works for the railroad out there in the thick of it.

While one enjoys the railroad and thinks it's all rose-colored happiness with a wonderful history and a wonderful background, love the big engines and the colorful trains....

The other knows the history of the railroads, has been in the grease, seen friends lose life and limb working on it, knows how the big picture works and how the railroad truly is, a business, just like SoE....

There is a stark difference between the casual player and the avid Raider/PVPer, this site was mainly created for and maintained primarily by the Avid Raider / PVPer, if you are not one of those types then maybe this is the wrong site for you anyways, feel free to stop by and see how the game really works, but we prefer you to play on in your ignorance and not try to speak about something you know little about.

Thanks,

Hexus

Catseyes · 04-03-2008, 04:53 AM

i always though that insulting devs everyday, having tons of posts with "fuck SoE" "Dev tardz" and such, wasnt helping the site and its purpose .

We had the unique opportunity to be ,in some ways, listened by Devs. To bring things to the game, and lot of us though that was permitting us to threat them like shit.

this is not the reason why that ended like this, but it never helped to anyway.

aduros · 04-03-2008, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

i always though that insulting devs everyday, having tons of posts with "fuck SoE" "Dev tardz" and such, wasnt helping the site and its purpose .

We had the unique opportunity to be ,in some ways, listened by Devs. To bring things to the game, and lot of us though that was permitting us to threat them like shit.

this is not the reason why that ended like this, but it never helped to anyway.

Post like that have existed long before the devs started coming here. It would be foolish to think everyone would thrown on their "Courtesy Caps", just because the Devs made their presence known.