Why I did this and how we can reach a compromise. - Page 4

Thundolfe · 03-11-2008, 07:24 AM

Nice post, but that bridge not only has been burned, its ashes have been shit on. :P

Frodogorn · 03-11-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RadarX

Wow...

I don't know what you've seen on TV Snark, but you don't execute 8 hostages and THEN try and negotiate.

Sometimes you shoot a few hostages to let em know you are fuckin serious!

Anyways, I think it's WAY past time SOE was forced to eat their share of shit sandwiches. They have treated enough of their playerbase with disdain over the years they have a whole lot more coming.

Personally, I say shoot more fuckin hostages, show no mercy, and if they still don't take you seriously, make em regret it.

These fuckin cocksmoking self-important incompetent losers need to be put in their god damn place. We pay for this game and are their customers. THEY WORK FOR US! Act like it for once you worthless twats!

I for one am tired of being treated with disdain and given no satisfation be it in petitions, emails, or over the phone in all my dealings with SOE. They are beyond fuckin lucky I don't live near HQ's and they don't have to dismiss me or blow me off in person.

F-U-C-K S-O-E

tracheaspider · 03-11-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rakhir

(snip)Without consulting the raiding community, you nuked the fuck out of the only vocal bridge that raiders can turn to with issues. (snip)

This bridge wasn't working and if you seriously think it was, how do you explain how raids have been deteriorating nearly every update for the past few months? Excepting yourself, the raiding community seems to have been able to discern this. And we've been protesting it with hardly a hint that we're being listented to, bridge or no bridge. Once we've exhausted the reasonable means of expressing discontent, what other course is there to take?

Maybe people are getting caught in the crossfire, maybe their hands were tied, but they revealed themselves. Sure, on one level, they're just doing their job, but at some point, someone has to tell the emperor he has no clothes on. And SOE is stark fucking naked. If the middlemen can't pass that on, then we clear them out of the way. And if SOE won't take the next step, we'll find some way to escalate it till they have to listen.

bobz69 · 03-11-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rakhir

Im certainly no SOE fanboi, nor am I a fan about the current state of raiding in RoK.
Sure this issue has been caused by problems with LFG and SOE but Snark, you are a fuckin retard.
Without consulting the raiding community, you nuked the fuck out of the only vocal bridge that raiders can turn to with issues.
Sure you might love the game (judging by your last few months posts thats a crock of shit) but how about using the brain that you were given before you go of half cocked and fuck things up for the rest of us.
Dickhead

Yea, i mean we could have just said oh man rok sucks this this and this is broken fix it, i mean we have been doing that for the last 3 years and look how well its worked!

Dickhead!

osibia · 03-11-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Phineus

That memory leak is a bitch.

How long does it take to change a mob? Im not a programmer so I dont know how much work goes into each encounter and how hard it is to fix bugs, i.e. the stealth like ability on druushks x2 adds(they still path thru walls).

most of the people playing eq2 don't know anything or not alot about coding, but, thats wonderfull for soe, because it means we pay them to do it for us. Unless they fuck up, then poeple will stop paying.

for the illiterate dev's, if you guys want to get your car fixed because the windshield is broken and you get it back with a new windshield but no doors, would you still pay for the great service? No, you certainly woudn't. See, people are allready accepting far more than they have to, so dont push it too far soe, or you will loose even more paying customers.

Orodina · 03-11-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratface

Make me a developer and you'd have your first power hungry savagely abusive dev.

lawl

You would be way too late to be the first such.

Darammer · 03-11-2008, 09:58 AM

This whole situation is now broken. LFG's well-publicized temper and snap decisions (while totally understandable here) plus Snark's hostage execution, to borrow Radar's analogy, has killed any chance of reconciliation with SOE.

Of course, the good news is there was never really any chance of reconciliation to begin with; the new community team seems hell bent on killing their community rather than fostering it. They apparently feel the "Flames" crowd is a gangrenous wound that has to be amputated rather than cured. Unfortunately, you can't amputate your heart and hope to live.

Juantyr · 03-11-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Darammer

They apparently feel the "Flames" crowd is a gangrenous wound that has to be amputated rather than cured. Unfortunately, you can't amputate your heart and hope to live.

That's the best statement I've read yet.

Snark · 03-11-2008, 12:50 PM

I would like to reiterate a few points:

EQ2Flames is the single greatest source of constructive feedback this game has going for it. How can EQ2Flames be so successful? We don't have common interests in raiding, in crafting, in itemization... But what we do share is a passion for the game that goes beyond simply playing it and hoping for the best.

Other fan sites are little more than masturbatory content recyclers, with a paid staff that hunts down exclusive deals to generate as much traffic as possible. You think those websites are providing the feedback necessary to stimulate real changes in this game? You couldn't be more wrong. As far as I am concerned these fan sites have very little integrity; not that I blame them - if they criticized SOE they would quickly see their revenue suffer as a result.

When the community manager amputated this website from the "official" community I was deeply saddened. This means developers can no longer communicate here, even via pms.

This is absolutely unacceptable.

We were good people; I promise. It's not like we didn't have this info before today.

But when you cut off our only available means of communicating our frustrations, it was a slap to the face.

I listed dev/gm information so that you would see the only alternative. Taking their complaints directly to the source. There were dev's that certainly didn't need to be listed, but I _HAD_ to be objective to give this experiment some integrity.

I hope you lose your job Grimwell. You're the only one that deserves this. You are the worst thing to happen to this game.. ever. As a community manager, you have decided to manage nothing. You have extended your (obviously) weak powers of diplomacy into now cutting off the only feedback worth reading about your game from your most passionate and loyal customers, making the game evolution and development weaker as a result.

Want to work something out? Do it quickly. Because I'm getting more PMs by the minute (some with information so sensitive I am not posting it) and the ball is in your court.

Do whats best for the game.

Tyirul · 03-11-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Snark

I would like to reiterate a few points:

EQ2Flames is the single greatest source of constructive feedback this game has going for it. How can EQ2Flames be so successful? We don't have common interests in raiding, in crafting, in itemization... But what we do share is a passion for the game that goes beyond simply playing it and hoping for the best.

Other fan sites are little more than masturbatory content recyclers, with a paid staff that hunts down exclusive deals to generate as much traffic as possible. You think those websites are providing the feedback necessary to stimulate real changes in this game? You couldn't be more wrong. As far as I am concerned these fan sites have very little integrity; not that I blame them - if they criticized SOE they would quickly see their revenue suffer as a result.

When the community manager amputated this website from the "official" community I was deeply saddened. This means developers can no longer communicate here, even via pms.

This is absolutely unacceptable.

We were good people; I promise. It's not like we didn't have this info before today.

But when you cut off our only available means of communicating our frustrations, it was a slap to the face.

I listed dev/gm information so that you would see the only alternative. Taking their complaints directly to the source. There were dev's that certainly didn't need to be listed, but I _HAD_ to be objective to give this experiment some integrity.

I hope you lose your job Grimwell. You're the only one that deserves this. You are the worst thing to happen to this game.. ever. As a community manager, you have decided to manage nothing. You have extended your (obviously) weak powers of diplomacy into now cutting off the only feedback worth reading about your game from your most passionate and loyal customers, making the game evolution and development weaker as a result.

Want to work something out? Do it quickly. Because I'm getting more PMs by the minute (some with information so sensitive I am not posting it) and the ball is in your court.

Do whats best for the game.

POST IT! LET THEM BURN!