Why I did this and how we can reach a compromise. - Page 8

the_mo · 03-12-2008, 12:45 AM

so.... they decided to delete the "support LFG"-thread which was purely made of win?
no longer existant thread: EverQuest II - Discussion Boards

Ily · 03-12-2008, 12:53 AM

HAHAHAHA

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Where's your lunch?

Flames just ate it.

Those 10x more users get kinda hungry ya know.

Havok · 03-12-2008, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Snark

I would like to reiterate a few points:

EQ2Flames is the single greatest source of constructive feedback this game has going for it. How can EQ2Flames be so successful? We don't have common interests in raiding, in crafting, in itemization... But what we do share is a passion for the game that goes beyond simply playing it and hoping for the best.

Other fan sites are little more than masturbatory content recyclers, with a paid staff that hunts down exclusive deals to generate as much traffic as possible. You think those websites are providing the feedback necessary to stimulate real changes in this game? You couldn't be more wrong. As far as I am concerned these fan sites have very little integrity; not that I blame them - if they criticized SOE they would quickly see their revenue suffer as a result.

When the community manager amputated this website from the "official" community I was deeply saddened. This means developers can no longer communicate here, even via pms.

This is absolutely unacceptable.

We were good people; I promise. It's not like we didn't have this info before today.

But when you cut off our only available means of communicating our frustrations, it was a slap to the face.

I listed dev/gm information so that you would see the only alternative. Taking their complaints directly to the source. There were dev's that certainly didn't need to be listed, but I _HAD_ to be objective to give this experiment some integrity.

I hope you lose your job Grimwell. You're the only one that deserves this. You are the worst thing to happen to this game.. ever. As a community manager, you have decided to manage nothing. You have extended your (obviously) weak powers of diplomacy into now cutting off the only feedback worth reading about your game from your most passionate and loyal customers, making the game evolution and development weaker as a result.

Want to work something out? Do it quickly. Because I'm getting more PMs by the minute (some with information so sensitive I am not posting it) and the ball is in your court.

Do whats best for the game.

Fuck it man, I say post everything you got, Get this shit out there, Let them know not only will we kill the hostages but when we run out of hostages we are going to there friends house and rubbing them out too, that there second grade science teacher is going to be sleeping with the fishes, that we will slaughter every motherfucker we come across till the truth is told. Thats how you win a war, you go farther then your enemy.

Tyirul · 03-12-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kena

Fuck it man, I say post everything you got, Get this shit out there, Let them know not only will we kill the hostages but when we run out of hostages we are going to there friends house and rubbing them out too, that there second grade science teacher is going to be sleeping with the fishes, that we will slaughter every motherfucker we come across till the truth is told. Thats how you win a war, you go farther then your enemy.

You've got your facts straight.

Cyllie · 03-12-2008, 02:37 AM

SoE has had bad community relations since EQ1 if not before. Sony in general has bad community relations, they treat their customers and their retailers like shit, its little surprise thier offspring holds the same values.

Do I think Developer should play the game? Certainly they should play...THEY SHOULD PLAY ON TEST SO THEY CAN MAKE SURE THE GAME RUNS RIGHT. Perhaps if they played on test instead of committing to a raiding force, which is just another job, then there wouldn't nearly be the gaming issue's that we get on any update.

If you think raiders make up a small portion of the community then you are very much in the right. They represent a much greater force then that though, for they give people motivation, they give them a "it can be done," and they, in large with their sheer dedication to the game, discover how to get things done. Raiders are the ones wearing that armor everyone wants or that sword that is to die for, something for people to strive for, even if most have no life.

When the raiders go, so will the game, most people are followers after all, and when there is nothing to look forward to, there is no hope and without hope or drive anything will decay.

Its not even really the developers that are to blame, most people will help their friends out with hints and "inside info," its just natural. The policy that allowed developers to play with customers is what is at fault.

What also is at fault is putting mythical weapons in the game that are achieveable far easier then any other major questline in the game. Godking was far tougher, as was Claymore and even SoD. In reality, each of the quest lines has gotten steadily easier, in response to players complaining.

SOE, as most companies, don't believe people really want what they ask for, and often they are correct. The grass is always greener. One such instance, and one in which SOE has obviously failed in, is that players don't want to cheat, it ruins the game. Telling people how to kill a mob is cheating, telling people...hey this guy is bugged, hurry up and kill it before its fixed, is cheating.

They will ask, they will cuss, they will whine and bitch and complain, but when they beat the dragon on its own. Players will want MORE

When the players beat it on their own they did it themselves. When you tell them how to do it, well they are happy to have their epic..next game plz.

Separating from the community is not all bad, it can let the creative juices flow. The in between is bad, the lets listen to these people and help them, but fuck all the rest. Just doesn't work. You can't have it both ways, something will go wrong.

gm9 · 03-12-2008, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by the_mo

so.... they decided to delete the "support LFG"-thread which was purely made of win?
no longer existant thread: EverQuest II - Discussion Boards

I saw they merged it with the DDoS thread, which makes that thread appear a bit nonsensical with the LFG posts interspersed, but that was likely the idea behind that action.

Regarding the whole issue I don't get the reasoning behind holding devs and GMs ransom for something the community team and management fucked up (and that they did if their decision really means that devs will no longer be allowed to use this site as LFG posted). While their email addresses were public anyway publishing the ingame toons was uncalled for. That you need that to provide feedback is a bullshit excuse.

It is considered way too cool to hate on devs in my opinion. You guys are really pissing on the wrong tree. Despite the fact that one dev may be more imaginative or clever than another, I think you are forgetting how their workflow goes, it gets decided and distributed higher up by a supervisor. One dev can't go and change itemization on his own, for example.

I can only judge from my interaction with devs regarding my interface work, but from my experience much of their interaction with the player base is actually done during their free time. I know for several interface features that they were implemented by a dev during his free time. I'm sure they would have preferred to do it during their work time, but it was not put on their list of work that they should do, because other matters were considered more pressing. Still those devs decided that it would be good for the game to have this feature and sacrificed their free time for this.

If that does not show dedication to the game you and they are all playing then I don't know what does. I'm not putting specific names here because I'll assume that all devs you interact with are this way, because otherwise you'd probably not even see them posting and thus not know about them.

That's just my opinion, you can of course go and hate whoever you want, it's a free country. But I think LFG did the right thing all the time trying to bring some measure into dev interaction on this site and I would hope he keeps it that way despite the community relations/marketing fuckup that SOE always was and probably always will be.

Irulana · 03-12-2008, 06:11 AM

From what I've read apparently everything can be fixed merely by gullding a dev and giving them a blowjob, you might even get a bonus strat out of the deal

Pink Poodle · 03-12-2008, 08:23 AM

I expect an apology from SOE to LFG, but knowing everything, that's not happening.

Tyirul · 03-12-2008, 11:13 AM

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I expect an apology from SOE to LFG, but knowing everything, that's not happening.

Is that really enough now though?

Havok · 03-12-2008, 11:29 AM

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From what I've read apparently everything can be fixed merely by gullding a dev and giving them a blowjob, you might even get a bonus strat out of the deal

that to me is the worst of all the things posts as its one of two things, either sexual harrasment or basicly prostitution. Its harrasment if he pressured her to do, prostitution of he jus paid her for it. Either way its a serious violation and abuse of his in game power. Tbh who knows what's next, will he pressure someone else to do this since it worked the first time and wha is the companys stance, I know if I did somethinglike this at my job I would be canned asap.