/guildr all devs - Page 3

Humi · 03-12-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

At the same time, if they're in a guild that bad, I'd be willing to say they'd be wanting to move onto another guild by that point. I know how frustrating it is wiping to the same mob, over and over again. I also know how enjoyable it is knowing that you killed the mob without outside help.

Plenty of good guilds get stuck on hard mobs exp if its a new encounter. Im not saying you're wrong but im just pointing out the fact that no one is counting the human element.

99% of the player base gets outside help in some form or fashion each and everyday, be it strats from someone(who got strats from someone else or walkthrew on how to do a quest/instance or whatever. Fact is no one would be successful in this game period with out some sort of outside help? Hell the main perpose of this site is one big ass "outside help"

Most of these mobs, zones and quest are NOT "figured out" by each and every person who does, most like i go to some site like this one to find information on quest walkthrew and or loot data base, because they dont have 3 hours to spend wondering around norath for an update.

Its all outside help, of course everyone has their own opinion of where the line should be drawn, but its all perspective....

SoE has made this game so it doesnt matter how much "outside" help you get, Raid mobs will still require player skill and attention to complete, even if you know exactly how to do it.

Humi · 03-12-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brentiger

Yes they should keep their mouth shut and wipe over and over. If their guild is that good in the first place they shouldn't need strats from anyone on how to kill a mob.

Thats easy for anyone to say tbh

Legion · 03-12-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceband

The point im getting at, the devs are welcome, hell I will ask em to play the game, by all means.

The issue is, they SHOULD NOT be giving out insider information, for any reason, I dont give a fuck to whom, for whatever reason, ever, period.

They should NOT be allowed to share any kind of work related info on their private toon, not ever.

The fact is this should be common goddom sense, and when it comes to this dev team, IT ISNT. They are a bunch of unethical little bastards who hand out freebies to friends and strats to their guild, thats why its wrong.

I'm not denying that is wrong. However, as the old cliche goes, two wrongs do not make a right.

I'd like to know if any of you can prove that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the devs who's private information was given out had done what you are accusing them of. Otherwise, you guys are just countering bad behavior with bad behavior.

Argyuile · 03-12-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Humi

Plenty of good guilds get stuck on hard mobs exp if its a new encounter. Im not saying you're wrong but im just pointing out the fact that no one is counting the human element.

99% of the player base gets outside help in some form or fashion each and everyday, be it strats from someone(who got strats from someone else or walkthrew on how to do a quest/instance or whatever. Fact is no one would be successful in this game period with out some sort of outside help? Hell the main perpose of this site is one big ass "outside help"

Most of these mobs, zones and quest are NOT "figured out" by each and every person who does, most like i go to some site like this one to find information on quest walkthrew and or loot data base, because they dont have 3 hours to spend wondering around norath for an update.

Its all outside help, of course everyone has their own opinion of where the line should be drawn, but its all perspective....

SoE has made this game so it doesnt matter how much "outside" help you get, Raid mobs will still require player skill and attention to complete, even if you know exactly how to do it.

Figuring out what to do is the hardest part, executing it is MUCH MUCH easier than figuring it out in the first place.

Humi · 03-12-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Argyuile

Figuring out what to do is the hardest part, executing it is MUCH MUCH easier than figuring it out in the first place.

It sure is and its even harder if the mob is bugged.

Arch0n · 03-12-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Legion

I'm not denying that is wrong. However, as the old cliche goes, two wrongs do not make a right.

I'd like to know if any of you can prove that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the devs who's private information was given out had done what you are accusing them of. Otherwise, you guys are just countering bad behavior with bad behavior.

Considering the relatively constant barrage of insulting behavior on the part of SOE, my response to your criticism about bad behavior would be: fucking sue me.

Even this little shitstorm, while undoubtedly good drama and never-ending entertainment at the expense of NPU, will affect very little in terms of corruption. Astaroth was still logged in, tagged, and parked in Danak as usual all last night, I have no reason to believe he's not there again now... or out raiding. So you idiots whining about outing a Dev? Fucking yell at the Dev who gave NPU the contact sheet. If they played fair and didn't hand out goodies to the little NPU kids, this mess wouldn't be happening.

Reap the fucking whirlwind, SOE. Whatever happens, it won't be enough.

Iceband · 03-12-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Humi

Plenty of good guilds get stuck on hard mobs exp if its a new encounter. Im not saying you're wrong but im just pointing out the fact that no one is counting the human element.

99% of the player base gets outside help in some form or fashion each and everyday, be it strats from someone(who got strats from someone else or walkthrew on how to do a quest/instance or whatever. Fact is no one would be successful in this game period with out some sort of outside help? Hell the main perpose of this site is one big ass "outside help"

Most of these mobs, zones and quest are NOT "figured out" by each and every person who does, most like i go to some site like this one to find information on quest walkthrew and or loot data base, because they dont have 3 hours to spend wondering around norath for an update.

Its all outside help, of course everyone has their own opinion of where the line should be drawn, but its all perspective....

SoE has made this game so it doesnt matter how much "outside" help you get, Raid mobs will still require player skill and attention to complete, even if you know exactly how to do it.

Do you know what the differnce is, thats a level playing field. Everyone can access Wiki, Allak, here, the official forums etc, its not a strat given to one guild by a dev, and no one else, thats the key difference that your failing to see here.

Legion · 03-12-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Arch0n

Considering the relatively constant barrage of insulting behavior on the part of SOE, my response to your criticism about bad behavior would be: fucking sue me.

Even this little shitstorm, while undoubtedly good drama and never-ending entertainment at the expense of NPU, will affect very little in terms of corruption. Astaroth was still logged in, tagged, and parked in Danak as usual all last night, I have no reason to believe he's not there again now... or out raiding. So you idiots whining about outing a Dev? Fucking yell at the Dev who gave NPU the contact sheet. If they played fair and didn't hand out goodies to the little NPU kids, this mess wouldn't be happening.

Reap the fucking whirlwind, SOE. Whatever happens, it won't be enough.

So...this is really nothing more than a temper tantrum?

Humi · 03-12-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceband

Do you know what the differnce is, thats a level playing field. Everyone can access Wiki, Allak, here, the official forums etc, its not a strat given to one guild by a dev, and no one else, thats the key difference that your failing to see here.

Oh no I see it, but I also see that its our opinion as to where we personaly draw the line. We make that opinion based on our situation. Its logical to think that based on a dev situation there opinon of that line may be different for different reasons. Does that make it right? Prob not. does that make it fair? No, But is it a necessary evil maybe so? Who knows what we may have benifited from it