Gnorbin ~ Founderer of myths and spreader of lies! - Page 11

Selkee · 03-20-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Manratten

Good to know that this site is completely for the deleting and suppression of threads on the offical forums. I mean, one thing this site does NOT stand for rampant rumour mongering!! Put the foot down, no rumour mongering!! If you don't have documented facts, you are not welcome to post here!! That'll certainly cut down on the number of posts here, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by gm9

At least the irony wasn't lost on everybody. If this "war" now gets to the stage of cease and desist notices being thrown at each other that's really kinda sad, not even considering who would presumably win on that front.

Well it's always nice to spot the dumb fucks who aren't paying attention. Now pay attention class! Most of the things being stated on Flames have been backed up by evidence and witnesses (at least everything from Snark, LFG, Niber and Gaige has been backed up). What Gnorbin did was try to be a smartass and let it slide that Flames was the source of all the recent hacks. A rumor that is unfounded and spouted by a pissed off noob who has been banned multiple times for various nefarious activities by both Flames AND the official forums.

Now have you got that? Do you understand that, though similar, these are actually two different situations.

Edit: And I see that LFG was a lot quicker and a lot more eloquent on properly schooling you.

LFG · 03-20-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Darammer

Damn straight!

Is a decent post, I'm glad they are now promoting customer education.

Gtwo · 03-20-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LFG

The SOE site publishing and promoting as "confirmed fact" the completely unfounded intentional malicious lie that this site is responsible for the recent epidemic of SOE's keylogging and account theft problems is far different than anything ever posted on this site.

The legal equivalent to that post on the official forums would be if someone posted as "confirmed fact" here, without any evidence, that Gnobrin got syphilis from an underage boy then gave it to his grandmother. Or that John Smedley was stealing account information then selling it to Chinese farmers to support a crack habit.

I wouldn't allow those things to be posted here without at least some evidence, because I know allowing that would expose me to legal liability for defamation.

Knowingly false and intentionally harmful information posted for the purpose of gaining a competitive advantage by ruining a site, company, or person has never been welcome or allowed on this site. Everything posted here has at least been based on a reasonable basis of fact or some evidence.

If you don't understand the difference here, I suggest you just shut the fuck up and avoid looking even dumber.

It's very tempting to start a new thread with the title "Smed vs Crack"...

LFG · 03-20-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Selkee

What Gnorbin did was try to be a smartass and let it slide that Flames was the source of all the recent hacks. A rumor that is unfounded and spouted by a pissed off noob who has been banned multiple times for various nefarious activities by both Flames AND the official forums.

Now have you got that? Do you understand that, though similar, these are actually two different situations.

It would be similar to starting rumors that the competition's beer contains urine:

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Urine in Corona Beer

It is extremely difficult to stop false rumors like that once they get started, which is why I acted loudly and decisively in this case.

LFG · 03-20-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gm9

If this "war" now gets to the stage of cease and desist notices being thrown at each other that's really kinda sad, not even considering who would presumably win on that front.

Regarding who the "winner and loser" would be in such a match, I'll note that my only costs in proceeding in a pro se lawsuit in the California Superior Courts (this situation would not fall under the arbitration clause in SOE's EULA because it doesn't involve my player account or use of the SOE website) would be filing and discovery fees, while SOE would pay approximately $600 per hour each to a team of outside counsel, and would have to search through and potentially produce thousands of internal documents (including emails) based on my requests.

I have oodles of time and infinite creative energy, and would greatly enjoy the experience. I do not believe I'd be a "loser" according to any definition of that term.

gm9 · 03-20-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LFG

If you don't understand the difference here, I suggest you just shut the fuck up and avoid looking even dumber.

I see the legal difference quite clearly and you were certainly justified. That was not my point, but that was apparently lost on you.

I'll send you a PM in a moment though.

Cuz · 03-20-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Darammer

Damn straight!

That's what he should have linked instead of his drivel of caring.

Havok · 03-20-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LFG

Regarding who the "winner and loser" would be in such a match, I'll note that my only costs in proceeding in a pro se lawsuit in the California Superior Courts (this situation would not fall under the arbitration clause in SOE's EULA because it doesn't involve my player account or use of the SOE website) would be filing and discovery fees, while SOE would pay approximately $600 per hour each to a team of outside counsel, and would have to search through and potentially produce thousands of internal documents (including emails) based on my requests.

I have oodles of time and infinite creative energy, and would greatly enjoy the experience. I do not believe I'd be a "loser" according to any definition of that term.

For and educated person like you lfg this has to be the most retarded statement you have ever made. You know damn well that soe has lawyers on the payrole, a whole team of them to deal with lawsuits, it wouldn't cost them a fucking penny. Hell my company is not as large as soe and even we have our own in house legal department.

Add to it you would have to sow some kind of loss from all this which you can't, as a matter of fact you have made gains in your ad revenue since site traffic has gone up since this started.

This also has to pass the California frivolous lawsuit board. Should it be deemed that you are just acting like some but hurt noob you would then have to pay both parties court costs.

So yea man can't wait to see this actuly ammount to something other then you blowing smoke.

Manratten · 03-20-2008, 11:44 AM

Yeah, you can tell how much LFG really hates that thread. I mean, the fact it has screenshots here of it in several places shows how seriously he wants that stamped out.

But, personally, I'm just glad we have stopped all rumour mongering. I mean, look at the title of this thread. It is clear from that Gnorbin started that thread....well, no he didn't. Well, the fact he posted in that thread is what gave it life....well...no...he didn't.

Who has put more life and energy into that thread....the people here....or Gnorbin?

But again, thumbs up on the stopping of rumour mongering!!

Hitz · 03-20-2008, 11:44 AM

Posted on Guildportals website

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Dear GuildPortal Members,

Over the past few days we have been fighting a brute force attack against our servers by multiple (10+) computers that we suspect are located in China. While we have secured the services and the problem is gone, we want to let you know, fully, what exactly happened.

The attacks were successful to an extent, in that they were able to modify content on many sites, injecting code into welcome messages that contained a hidden iframe. This frame would then load script into the user's browser that installed a keylogger.

This did not affect all guilds or all users. The users that were affected were running Internet Explorer on Windows with no virus protection installed.

We have been working very hard with Rackspace to identify the means the attackers used and to nullify their ability to continue, but our top priority was always to reverse the injections as soon as we possibly could. We don't expect or deserve any pity for missing sleep, to be sure, but please believe that we have been doing everything we can to first remove the malicious code from your sites and then remove their ability to do it again. Many times during this, we have brought GuildPortal completely down in order to prevent the spreading of the trojan while we removed the code that loaded it. The process the attackers used to do this was automated -- our ability to counter what they were doing was not.

We believe we have patched up the problem that made what they did possible. However, please, if you use Internet Explorer under Windows, install a virus scanner if you don't already have one. If you don't, odds are overwhelmingly in favor of you already being infected with something.

Blizzard has an excellent write-up on securing your computer here, as well as information on what to do in case your World of Warcraft account has been compromised at this link.

Over the next few days, we are conducting a full security audit of our entire infrastructure, to locate and eradicate any other even remotely possible security risks. We cannot promise a security problem will never happen again -- no more than Microsoft promises their operating systems or browsers will be completely secure and virus-free after a service pack release -- but we will call (and have been calling) on all of the resources we have at our disposal to secure every part of the site, and it is our top priority.

We apologize for any inconvenience and, as always, thank you very much for choosing GuildPortal as your guild's home on the web!