Diceeno

for me its like as for Tater. i burnt out in eq2. i wasnt in the best guild out there but i was playing as fast as those guilds do when raiding. as a assassin you are fucked that way.
i have a lot fun in wow. i still like eq2 but most of my time i spend in wow.

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Sheya

Blizzard nerfs raids and bosses to widen the audience that can experience them and this happens only after a good while from their release. When you have 5% of the population experiencing Black temple and 95% experiencing Kharazan, something is out of whack, from their point of view.

To explain it better, they do not want that entire zones, which costed money and time to develop, are consumed only by the top end, thus the nerfs or the lower requirements to enter such zones. Not that it matters in terms of progression, since no one cares in WoW as stuff is dead 24-36 hours after been released, killed by the top guilds, yet a lot of people still have to set foot in Mount Hyjal, let alone Black Temple.

Itemization is done generally better in WoW, even if EQ2 improved a lot since release (well, EQ2 release gear was a joke).

The difference is that, save for the occasional fuckup, Blizzard publishes content that is working and at worse must be reviewed for some minor touches here and there, while SoE historically never or almost never released an unbugged and fully working raid zone.

I raided in EQ1, WoW and EQ2, although I don't do this since a long time in any of these games. While I can see the point of your opening post "stop with the hate, it's not worth it" and I even agree with it, comparing the quality of the products of the 2 companies, from a bug/issue point of view is quite a stretch.

I never understood people saying "my game is better than your game" and have nerd wars about this, I happen to play only the games I like, but I didn't like the direction EQ2 took with RoK, while I loved it in EoF as it suited a lot more my playing style (1 group oriented).

Countless times very valid suggestions have been made on these and the official boards on how to fix some of the game issues (glaring issues, not trivial ones), how to work around a fucked up 24 classes system, how to improve the combat mechanics and it's horrible diminishing returns system (which you'll experience once you're up at the level cap), how to make proper itemization and don't read a developer saying "oh I did only leather for healers, you all can wear it" without even comprehending the stupidity of such a statement and I could go on mentioning a lot of other mistakes been done in the past and present time.

Nonetheless a lot of people love this game, this virtual world, the lore behind it, the combat adrenaline and are here being loudmouths to make it better, because they care, because if the game is better, more people may flock to it, the company may get more resources to make it more fun/big/engaging.

Seiryu

dont lie to yourself. FFXI is the best mmo.. andi have basically played them all. If you havent played ffxi you are a horrible excuse for a human being

Kizee

Actually UO was the best MMORPG. I miss that game so much pre trammel.

Seiryu

dont lie to me you bitch.

Seiryu

eq2 does this too with many fights. they just dont wait a "good while"
that was one of the main reasons i originally quit the game

Kizee

FFXI might be good too but I didn't make it far because of the language barrier.

It would have been nice for them to open a English speaking server....but they cheaped out.

Mezelline

werkkrew,

I think your post has some merit. But as many people have pointed out, the population of flames that is bitching are the people who are on the cutting edge of raiding; the upper 5% of the EQ2 population.

I would disagree with alot of people here and say that EQ2 is, if anything, a more fun game than ever. Considering that they added a whole tier to EQ2 I think they did a great job. There is a wide range of content for casual level 80s to hit, and with some patience can acquire an item or two that will come close to raid loot. Yes, there isn't much group content for the 70-80 band, but RoK easily has the best-constructed questlines I've seen in any expansion, any MMO.

And all the raiding content isn't as terrible as everyone makes it out to be; I've had a blast in ROK T1 and T2 raids, more than any other expansion.

The one area that RoK is lacking in is the upper crust content -- VP and Avatars, which were simply not debugged and tested well enough when they launched. I get the sense from hardcore raiders that EoF was the pinnacle of hardcore raiding because when they released avatars they weren't nearly as stupid, and EH was better designed than VP.

Everything else people are complaining about is minor -- class balance will always be an issue in MMOs, as well as itemization when you have a small game design team that cannot possibly understand the complexity of all 24 classes and what they all desire, and what would be overpowered. PVP is an understandable gripe, but honestly the game was not built for PVP nor do I think it ever will be, and people hoping for a solid PVP MMO ala the pvp greats of Ultima, Shadowbane, DAOC, etc have been deluding themselves from the get-go.

Every casual player I've talked to has liked ROK alot. It's only the upper crust raiders, VP and beyond, who have genuine greivances with their content.

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3devious

Mezelline, why would I play an mmorpg to play solo content or small group content? Perhaps a new version of Diablo would be better suited for those kinds of people.

I wouldn't want to subscribe to a networked game with all of the problems that come with a networked game not to take advantage of a networked game.

Alesis

The problem with the game is for the end lgame raiders. Up to about lvl 70+ its a stellar game for them, and then SOE decided to focus on the more casual, larger portion of thier player base, and all the sudden people who live for EQ2 started to QQ.

Once you get to the raiding end game, you realize you dont even need to be in a raiding guild to have the best gear in the game. You can solo and group off the coolest items around, while the guys who live online 100 hours a week are clearnig places like Veeshans Peak, and getting total shit drops cause the content is not finished being developed.

The PvP system is a fucking joke, itemization is fucked, raids are basicly fucked now, either crazy easy or borderline impossible and based on luck not skill, and you can get better customer service from a border patrol cop with a rubber glove after they caught you with coke in your pants crossing the border. Everyone and thier brother can speed hack the game now, Lag is so frequent due to those speed hackers its hard to play, and reporting cheaters doesnt do shit. Hell its almost like hacking is acceptable, since noone ever gets in trouble for it, and even top end game guilds use hacks and sploits to get the job done.

O and to top it off, SOE openly cheats at its own game almost daily.

You will have an awesome EQ2 experience until you clear past T7, and then your gonna be like wtf? Because t8 is an entirely different game. in t8 Youll come to a point where you realize your not raiding anymore, and wearing the best gear in the game basicly, and there will be no motivation to raid or hunt the upper end game.

The whole thing kinda goes stale.

Then you find yourself lvl locked on Naggy, twinking lvl 25 toons and enjoying them way more than the part time job that is t8.

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