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That isn't a risk, your still profiting IMO even at fuel costs. I don't think they are undesireable or unsellable by any means.

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Stork/Atris

yup haha whata buncha bitches...

now wat coulda been cool, is if his entire guild did it, then bought the market, or at least a good portion, then resold shit inflated.... THAT woulda made the whiney bitches whine even harder...

lol ima ass

Ishbu

Wow this was the most pathetic attempt at a flame with a consistant follow through Ive ever read. Yeah being a transmuter with 5 or 6 alts that tradeskill and making yourself full adornments is a total exploit!

Talk about a jealous, pathetic, extremely petty and upset person to try and flame this one.

kyros

one more... i know this horse has already been beaten pretty bad, but i'm done after this one...

being able to carry boxes, for whatever reason, is possible in eq2 without doing anything outside of the intended game mechanics. for a character to be super-strong because he's a powerful, high-level adventurer is a perfectly reasonable concept in a fantasy environment. if said character wants to carry around boxes that can hold his thing, if he can find a way to do it, more power to him. carrying boxes as an exploit? no, not even close. it's within the realm and scope of game mechanics. it's been there since release, we've had weight limits reduced, and we can still throw a couple in there.

so take the adornment refund, now. soe hasn't done anything like this for us in the past. usually we spend all of our time and money building up to something, only to have it "reduced in effectiveness" and we run around ranting because it's useless (not that these have become useless). this time, they were kind to the players because we had to invest so much in the purchasing of these things, they gave us some money back and "unattuned" them in a sense.

so lfg, what did you do? you've taken the first truly soft-hearted act that i've ever seen them make and turned it into an opportunity for profit. someone said that you deserve it for all the plat you spent getting your skill up; fuck that. you chose to spend that money so that you could be on top of the skill. you could have spend weeks farming before EoF release, or worked your butt off farming after, but you chose to spend money to buy the components. i don't think soe should reward you for spending your own plat. i also don't think that it was right of you to take this favor to such an extreme that you made money from it. it was intended as a relief for people who aren't rich, but were burning all of their money on these big adornments. was it a game exploit? no, and i'm not here to argue that. was it cheating? i say yes. according to you, cheating is exploiting. own up to it and stop trying to hide behind your "they publicly announced it" excuse. everyone knows people carry bank boxes, i bet if you could ask a dev, they'd say "why not?" you took this opportunity to the extreme and made money off of it. just say you cheated, keep my respect, and let's go back to the game, eh?

"exploiting is cheating, however you define it." -lfg
"Now, bank boxes are an extreme example. I'm not saying that OTHER people who carry bank boxes are exploitng. I'm just saying that I can't and won't do it, because it feels like exploiting to me." -lfg

exploit: to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage (www.m-w.com)

Ishbu

SOE says hey we are completely changing these augments aka nerfing them into oblivion. We will refund the market value. Who here honestly knew what that was going to mean?

Did not the biggest names in crafting say I bet it means fuel cost?

Nobody knew what was going to happen, LFG took a risk and it worked in his favor. It is similar to buying an item someone lists on the broker for a price cheaper than what it should be and you buying it and trying to sell it back at a higher price. And how can you say it wasnt a risk? There was a high likely hood that nobody would want the augments anymore. Furthermore there was a high chance that the price for the components needed to make the adornments were going to drop dramatically (and they have) so all that is lost if SOE had only refunded the cost of the fuels. LFG stood to lose a large sum of plat if what pretty much everyone assumed was going to happen, had actually happened.

How many of you were in guild chat when LFG logged in and said, "HOLY SHIT" "I got over 100 plat and counting!"? I was. Clearly he didnt know what was going to happen, it was as much a surprise to him as anyone.

I guarentee if SOE were to post on this issue they would say it was by no means an exploit at all, he had no prior knowledge of what the reimbursement value would be and had no informantion that everyone else didnt have available to them. He did not do anything against the rules of the game and he even reported this so everyone could know and it could be handled when it all went down. In fact, if people at SOE were posting on this and were allowed to speak off the record they would most likely call whomever thinks this is an exploit a dumbass.

LFG lucked out period. No exploiting at all involved.

Saying this is an exploit means that anyone who saved a collection quest or got a quest ready for turn in before the expansion exploited because they got a head start on AA xp they didnt actually earn in that expansion. They used the prior announcement of a new expansion with more AA's to their benefit and exploited the xp!

Or how about anyone who camped on the TS/nek docks the night before EoF came out because they knew that is where they would catch the boat to get there.

Anyone who transmuted any legendary, fabled, or treasured items they acquired before EoF also are exploiting according to people in this thread.

Anyone who had seen a zone in beta or killed even a solo mob in beta knew about that mob and if it would drop a master 100% of the time or not was exploiting by using that information to their advantage!

Oh shit, I exploited when they did the summoner nerf because I had respec'd my aa's to the mage pet ahead of time, shit!

People who had researched classes before they started playing the game to find one they might like? All exploiters because they used public information to further their own means.

All LFG did was take advantage of an opportunity. Its no different than how many people take advantage of hurricanus spawning by killing him before other guilds can each and every week. If you think otherwise, get a clue.

Rinion

I think people still arguing this is an exploit are just the retards that didn't think of it themselves. Honestly even if it was just the cost of fuel you still got every single augment back un-attuned and ready to sell. So you make a profit no mater what.

And all your arugments are flawed because your definition of exploit is flawed.
You call Zerging an exploit. It is not, It is a less then admirable way to kill things and the only reason it was even possible to use on cheldrak is because the poorly designed cut and paste zone, and you fucking all know it. also Kalidon with his bullshit "Gotta Respect me! Im KAL JOWNS BITCH" Attitude potrayed when he tried to brag about "death coordination". Thats the reason misguided people called it an exploit.

An exploit Zerging does not make, it is common knowledge and has been around since the begining of fucking norath time. Just as this Re-fund was common knowledge for anyone to act on.

there is no way in hell you can compare either zerging or the re-fund to things like the HQ transmutable items or the solo named that droped masters 50% of the time. There is no fucking way you can compare them to that because THEY WERE NOT Common Knowledge, they were bugs people found and took advantage of.

there you go! a proper Definition for exploit! ~ A Bug or Glitch in the game that players wrongfully take advantage of rather then report.

Zerging - Been around since the dawn of time and untill recently has allways been fully intended.
Re-fund - an Announced Re-fund of nerfed items.
The HQ Transmutables - Bug in the game due to programmer Error, that was niether in patch note nor common knowledge
solo mob that droped masters - Bug in the game due to programmer error, that was niether in a patch note nor common knowledge.

Starting to see a pattern here?
All you Haters please just fuck off and stop trying to rationalize your piles of shit.

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Simonsays

All I hear is blah blah blah...

On a further note:

Z0MG I made 16P!!!!

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LFG

I agree with that point now - but at the time, we didn't now what they were going to be nerfed to, or whether they would still be desireable and sellable post-nerf.

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Malachani

Wait, let me get this right. I happened to make 2p off of this little thing, so now am *I* an exploiter because I too made money? It was only one adornment, but I do fondly remember telling LFG in 60-69 "Hey LFG, thanks for "paying" me 2p to take this 100 hp adornment!" since, when all was said and done, I had spent 2.5p, gotten 4.5p back, and still had a nice 100 hp adornment.

Or is it only LFG, because he made alot more money?

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kyros

that passage was directed at lfg directly, and the only reason i don't like it is because he adorned other gear just to get the refund. i got a nifty little refund from my head adornment, but i didn't go and adorn a bunch of gear just because we were getting money back. that's where i see his logic and ethics crossing. smart monetary play, but not the kind of individual he's claimed to be.