LFG you dog... - Page 13

Rinion · 12-08-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ily

But we have to admit that it is reasonable that someone might see what LFG did as exploit-ish, and hence in violation of the ethics he has himself defined to others.
Especially since LFG is such a big target for this sort of thing.
Do I personally think it was wrong? No
Can I see how someone else would say that LFG broke his own moral standards by doing what he did and profiting? Yes
Do I think that there have been people waiting in the wings for the chance to take a shot at LFG for something? Absolutely
Black and white is bad unless you can accept the opinions and standards of those who see in greys.

"Before one can identify anything as "gray", one has to know what is black and what is white. In the field of morality, this means that one must first identify what is good and what is evil. And when a man has ascertained that one alternative is good and the other evil, he has no justification for choosing a mixture. " Ayn Rand

Darammer · 12-08-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehah

Ixnay, since you refused to respond to my post on page 9, I'm going to assume you are done trying to defend youself.
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Do you have the conviction to back up what you believe is right? Or are you going to waver, and stay here in the comfort of the site you created.

If he's done trying to defend himself, why would he perpetuate the argument on another board?

I'm no huge fan of LFG; I happen to think this is kinda sorta on the shady side; but a 13 page thread over it is kind of ridiculous. Moving it to another board for another 13 pages is a bit of overkill. Let it go already.

Dehah · 12-08-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Darammer

If he's done trying to defend himself, why would he perpetuate the argument on another board?

I'm no huge fan of LFG; I happen to think this is kinda sorta on the shady side; but a 13 page thread over it is kind of ridiculous. Moving it to another board for another 13 pages is a bit of overkill. Let it go already.

Refusing to defend himself by failing to address the points I brought up in page 9 is an indirect admittance of guilt as far as I am concerned. Lacking the conviction to post on the Official EverQuest 2 Forums would also show that he doesn't firmly believe that he did no wrong. The fact that there is a 13 page thread on this topic already is very significant, and as of this post I have participated in less than half of this thread.

Dio · 12-08-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehah

Do you have the conviction to back up what you believe is right? Or are you going to waver, and stay here in the comfort of the site you created.

Wow, I've never seen a more pathetic cry for help. I deal with morons like you all day long. People who don't realize that the point that they are trying to argue is completely mute. Here you are calling out LFG to go to a board where we all know is moderated like shit to try to get others to back you up.

Get over it already...

Malachani · 12-08-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehah

Refusing to defend himself by failing to address the points I brought up in page 9 is an indirect admittance of guilt as far as I am concerned. Lacking the conviction to post on the Official EverQuest 2 Forums would also show that he doesn't firmly believe that he did no wrong. The fact that there is a 13 page thread on this topic already is very significant, and as of this post I have participated in less than half of this thread.

No actually LFG going there and posting that would be about the same as Kendricke posting what a saintly and good person he is by preaching to his Kenlings. In other words, it would be seen as bragging. Why send him to the lions of newbies and inane moderators? Can't handle him yourself?

kyros · 12-08-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ily

But we have to admit that it is reasonable that someone might see what LFG did as exploit-ish, and hence in violation of the ethics he has himself defined to others.
Especially since LFG is such a big target for this sort of thing.
Do I personally think it was wrong? No
Can I see how someone else would say that LFG broke his own moral standards by doing what he did and profiting? Yes
Do I think that there have been people waiting in the wings for the chance to take a shot at LFG for something? Absolutely
Black and white is bad unless you can accept the opinions and standards of those who see in greys.

that's exactly what i'm going for ily. i want a response from the man himself as to what side of the fence he's on. he's a big boy and doesn't need the regulars to stand up for him. i'm not here to flame him, but i am calling him out on his own morals, because it seems like a contradiction to me. since he is the creator of this community, i think we should know where he stands. in the past he's taken a stout stand against using even the smallest loophole, and here he is making a rather large profit from one.

it's like the movie office space. the plan was to skim a little cash from a rounding error, but they made a little too much money too fast. it's a scam, it's cheating, and cheating - from lfg's point of view - is exploiting.

as calthine has stated many times: here, like in real life, you can't unsay what you've said.

so what'll it be lfg?

Kiara · 12-08-2006, 02:29 PM

I don't think anyone should be pushing their own morality on someone else.

LFG has stated that he doesn't think he did anything wrong and that he didn't violate his personal ethics.

That should be the end of it.

If he can live with it, that's what matters. If someone else wouldn't have done it and didn't do it, then great.

No one here is in a position to dictate what someone else's moral threshhold should be.

Calthine · 12-08-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kyros

i want a response from the man himself as to what side of the fence he's on. he's a big boy and doesn't need the regulars to stand up for him. i'm not here to flame him, but i am calling him out on his own morals, because it seems like a contradiction to me. since he is the creator of this community, i think we should know where he stands.

I really don't see how LFG's personal stance on this affects his role in this community.

There was no guarentee of Mad Platz on that, it was market specualtion just like the time I lost my socks on Palladium.

Since he took the gamble on the reimbursement of "market value" it obviously is not a contradiction for him. Why do you need more of an answer than that?

Dehah · 12-08-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dio

Here you are calling out LFG to go to a board where we all know is moderated like shit to try to get others to back you up.

I have the conviction to support my beliefs. I came here, to HIS forums that he runs, fully knowing that I will get flamed by 90% of the people that post here. Let's just say this site attracts a certain type of mindset. For example, he used to give out custom titles to people who were banned by SOE.

This site has been built upon free speech; to undermine that would be to undermine Ixnay's creation. I will not be quiet until he addresses all of my points and I run out of things to say. Since he failed to address any of my points in my previous post to him, I challenged him to own up to what he believes in and post on the Official EverQuest 2 Forums. Just because those forums are moderated like shit, doesn't mean a conversation can't take place. Believe it or not, but dialog can exist without excessive cussing and with out personal attacks.

Ixnay is a role model for many players, and as such I think he has the extra responsibility to do what is right, and to own up when what he did was wrong. If he truly believes that he is right, then he should have absolutely no problem publicly stating on the Official EverQuest 2 Forums exactly what he has done.

Calthine · 12-08-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehah

This site has been built upon free speech; to undermine that would be to undermine Ixnay's creation. I will not be quiet until he addresses all of my points and I run out of things to say. Since he failed to address any of my points in my previous post to him, I challenged him to own up to what he believes in and post on the Official EverQuest 2 Forums. Just because those forums are moderated like shit, doesn't mean a conversation can't take place. Believe it or not, but dialog can exist without excessive cussing and with out personal attacks.

Um, when did undermining free speech come into it? LFG has the right to respond or not respond, as he wishes. What will you do if he chooses not to respond?

I *still* don't see how LFG's stance on whether his qualifies as an exploit affects this community.

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Ixnay is a role model for many players, and as such I think he has the extra responsibility to do what is right, and to own up when what he did was wrong. If he truly believes that he is right, then he should have absolutely no problem publicly stating on the Official EverQuest 2 Forums exactly what he has done.

Lots of people have said they made money on the change. So?

I'm sorry, I guess I just don't get why this horse it getting beat.