LFG

What was your point in posting this? I'm pretty sure that everyone who reads this board understands that EQ2 is a game. Were you confused about that in any way?

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Dio

This is still my most favorite/pointless argument that anyone could bring up.

It's not an exploit when they didn't tell ANYONE what the refund would be. It's simple, even a simpleton of your understanding should be able to comprehend that, but wait, you don't, that's why you continue to ask the same questions...

Wow, this is great, I'm getting in trouble at work b/c I'm reading this and not working. =p

Panthera

Actually, according to some:


This is perhaps the most insightful look into a person's pyschological make up ever and explains why this "issue" is getting as over blown as it is. To some, EQ2 is life.

To some, all of this time, energy, emotion and effort has to mean something beyond just a hobby. To pour so much of one's self into anything and have it be merely a game is insulting. Therefore, virtual occurrances some how have real world implications.

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LFG

If you have ANY honor Dehah, you will stop acting like I'm trying to hide from this matter, or have anything to be ashamed of here in any way.

You cannot choose exact words in life and then demand people only answer your yes or no questions.

I've shown you, clearly, that I walk the walk in this post - I posted exactly what I did on both this post, and on the SoE forums, on the same morning of the patch. This is not an after the fact spin. As my daddy used to tell me, if you don't want to be chased, just don't run. I laid all this shit out in both forums, exactly, and completely admitted every detail of this within an hour of when that patch came out. I have nothing to hide, no embarrassment, zero shame.

And why the fuck do you suppose that is? Because I did NOTHING wrong. And you are not the final arbiter of what is right and wrong concerning my personal moral convictions, sir. If SoE believes anything improper was done by me or anyone else who intentionally acted to profit as I did in this case, let them say so publicly, and then I'll destroy the coin, as I've previously stated.

In the meantime, fuck you again for continuing to act as if I'm trying to hide from shit. You think I'm afraid of you, or anything that you or anyone else in this fucking world can type or say? I'm not, so stop inferring that I'm being a coward, or that I'm hiding something by refusing to follow your bullshit instructions and answer your questions in the way you are demanding them to be answered.

Prick.

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Statik

Hmm...ok lets see here.

Im sorta new to posting on the boards here, but read them often becuase its entertaining. Just wanted to weigh in on what my thoughts are since, well, I can.

Anyway, I dont think that what LFG is an exploit. Its not like he found a place in the bonemire where mineral deposits never disappeared and just mined them 24/7 for rares.

The question is about the adornment refund. Was it morally wrong? Well you have to answer the question of what is moral? Each persons definition is going to be different.

I also do not think that anyone is personally attacking you LFG, it might seem that way but I did not get that impression from the posts. What I gleened was that some people on the forums want to know why you can justify some things as being exploits while others are not. The popular reference seems to be the no boxes issue. Yes its retarded that a single character can carry 6 big boxes filled with rocks if they so choose. But it is a mechanic in the game, and I will use it to its fullest (FWIW carrying 6 24 slot bags in really no different-anyone ever heard of a squire?)

So the question is why is carrying boxes bad mojo, but taking information SOE made public and using that to your advantage considered okay? Is it because one thing involves plat and one does not?
And really, no one cares about the letter of the law here, its just a question on where you stand at all really. Your position on some things could cause people to become confused with what you do.

Now before you go off on me for posting this LFG remember that I am not trying to flame you or kiss your ass. I have no need to do either and both would be a waste of time. I have already stated that I dont think you exploited under MY definition of an exploit. But the real issue here is maybe you "exploited" (term is used loosley) on what OTHER people thought YOUR interpretation of exploiting is.

I mean who am I really to judge anyone, I buy plat when I need it and dont have time to earn it.

Happy gaming either way

Statik/Jakub

Panthera

A salient point that seems to be glossed over is that meaning of the word "unprecedented."

To my knowledge (and I asked), SoE has never done something like this. The cries of exploitation ring a bit hollow when we have no basis of comparison.

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LFG

I'm not sure why everyone tries to compare a previous comment I made about bank boxes with the situation in this case. But I have no problem with answering that.

In Everquest, your total STR determined how much weight you could carry. When I quit EQ, a plate tank's gear weighed around 120 lbs total, and he had maybe 300 total STR.

So nobody in their right mind would carry a 100 lb bank box in EQ, it would be like carrying a safe on your back, because then your weight would quickly fill up with items you loot, and you'd become encumbered.

When I started this game, I always felt like they made a huge mistake confusing STR, for the purpose of how much auto attack and CA damage you do (and power pool for some classes) with the same STR number for how much weight you could carry. I mean, my defiler's max weight is around 1800 lbs. Can you imagine any type of creature, other than maybe an Elephant or something, carrying around that much weight?

And to be able to carry not one, but six max slot SAFES without being encumbered? How is that possible, even from a role play perspective. It's not. Seriously, does nobody except me see the problem with this?

In summary, I always felt that being able to carry bank boxes was only possible because of a broken (or ultra-poorly designed) mechanic relating to a designer's confusion between the mechanic of weight for damage purposes, and how much you can carry before becoming encumbered. They should have limited how much you can carry by STR alone, as they did in EQ, not on the multiplied value that they also use to calculate auto attack damage, CA damage, and power pool.

So how does that have ANYTHING to do with the subject of this post? It doesn't.

This post is about whether or not I exploited by seeking to maximize my profits based on information that SoE announced in advance. I had no more or less information than anyone else, in retrospect, I bet correctly.

I hope that completely answers this question, and in the future, when other people don't read that I've already typed this same answer out before, I'll just refer to this post by it's number.

EDIT: In the future, I'll just refer to this as "explanation 147". Thanks

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Panthera

Although it is stated elsewhere, he did just that. I see no apology listed. I see no retraction.

btw, quit your guild yet?

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Panthera

Context.

The discussion was about exploits and you used this as an example. Until this post, I was a bit hung up on that as well.

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LFG

And Dehah, I think you also owe me an apology, for continuing to infer that I'm either trying to run or hide from something here, or lack the courage to do something.

All you've done is fail to read and think before you type, and intentionally ruin relationships for whatever unknown retarded reason you have here.

What we have here is a difference of opinion between the way you and I see the world on a particular point. Your limited, closeted view of the world prevents you from seeing that, and caused you to turn this into something much greater than it was.

Do you think I'd be able to give the extreme opinions I give if I had ever done anything wrong in this game, or had anything to hide? I wouldn't be able to give such strong opinions, because when I did, I'd be immediately shut down by comments regarding prior sleazy behavior, none of which exist.

So for you to come here and claim that I'm an exploiter, and that I'm hiding from something and am afraid of you or your words or any other motherfucking thing on this planet, just proves you are a close minded assumer, and a narrow and small thinker, the intellectual equivalent of a bigot.

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