LFG you dog... - Page 16

Panthera · 12-08-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehah

In fact, SOE said that the items were going to be nerfed. Ixnay created additional adornments, and adorned items with them for the sole purpose of taking advantage of a refund that was intended for players who had their items nerfed. It was intended to be a refund, not a free plat give away.

Actually, you don't know this do you?

The "intent" of the refund was to compensate for the reduction in quality. Pre-patch the items were worth X. After the patch, they are worth Y. The difference was given to the player whether they had 1 or 100.

LFG · 12-08-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Panthera

Actually, you don't know this do you?

The "intent" of the refund was to compensate for the reduction in quality. Pre-patch the items were worth X. After the patch, they are worth Y. The difference was given to the player whether they had 1 or 100.

Is a good point. Not only does Dehah interpret the rules and moral code in this game, but he can also read dev minds.

Dehah, you should do infomercials man, you could be bigger than Miss Cleo.

Rinion · 12-08-2006, 04:09 PM

like i said before. your definitions of exploit are flawed.

Main Entry: 2ex·ploit
Pronunciation: ik-'sploit, 'ek-"
Function: transitive verb
1 : to make productive use of : UTILIZE <exploiting your talents> <exploit your opponent's weakness>
2 : to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage <exploiting migrant farm workers>

hmm imagine that two meanings.

so yup! LFG did exploit the PUBLIC knowledge to make a profit, BUT, when a GM bans someone for exploiting it looks like this "Banned for exploiting to gain a unfair advantage in the game" Was LFG's Action an un-fair advantage? No, everyone had the same opportunity.
So definition Number 1 applies to LFG and not Number 2.

"When in Rome do as the Romans" When in Norath, do as SoE does. Like it or not You the players are NOT the Arbiter of this game. SoE CSR is and if they say it's ok, then it is ok. The best anyone can do is report the mater and hope for a response, or quit paying there subscription Fee.

Also! you people De-mean the word Exploit. Were the Exploits of Alexander the Great Wrong? Were the exploits of Ghangus Khan wrong? (even though he was a tyrant he opened up new trade lanes from east to west and helped shape our world.)

Ily · 12-08-2006, 04:29 PM

HAHA
You made it your signature!

Rinion · 12-08-2006, 04:41 PM

I really liked it. /wink
It is the perfect quote of why I do not Believe in Gray.

Nurta · 12-08-2006, 04:52 PM

This discussion is waaaaaaaaay better than some of the stuff I've seen in Rate a Retard lately. Jimmeny Christmas why don't some of you just slit your wrist and call yourselves Emo?

This is SoE's fault not LFG's. Was it wrong? No one but the Allmightey SoE can decide. If SoE feels it was wrong then they should interject. I think you are all just pissed you didn't think of it but he did. Sour grapes are just that, sour.

I personally wouldn't have done it but that's b/c I'm too lazy and too busy to read or care which is 73.9875% of why I don't play anymore haha.

Dehah · 12-08-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

Let me state again as clearly as I know how: fuck you Dehah. You are a piece of shit hypocrite on a personal crusade.

You continue to make this out like a personal attack, when I've remained calm and stayed on the topic of whether or not this is an exploit.

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Originally Posted by LFG

I lack the conviction to do what? What the fuck are you talking about? You are trying to FORCE me to answer questions using words you choose?

What you are doing is trying to back me into the corner you choose. Do think I'm six years old and fall for that shit?

What you are doing is the same as me asking you this question:

JUST ANSWER YES OR NO, DEHAH. WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? FAILING TO ANSWER YES OR NO MEANS YOU ARE GUILTY AS I'VE CHARGED YOU! YOU CAN ONLY ANSWER YES OR NO - DO NOT ANSWER ANYTHING ELSE:

DO YOUR PARENTS KNOW YOU ARE GAY?

How the fuck are you going to answer a question like that? Like you, I'm INSTRUCTING you that you can only answer yes or no. SO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER YES OR NO, DUMBASS, because with either answer, you are admitting you are gay.

Here is what I said in page 9.

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Originally Posted by Dehah

It's not like I asked "Do you still beat your wife?". These questions don't paint you bad no matter what way you answer them. I'll go ahead and answer my own questions as well.

Do you think that it was SOE's intention for players to adorn as many items as possible in anticipation of the refund to amass large quantities of wealth ranging from 100p to 1000p virtually over night?

No, I do not think SOE intended for people to make over 100p from crafting a few adornments. To earn that much from tradeskill writs would take an extremely long time and I refuse to believe it was SOE's intention.

Do you think SOE made a mistake with how they decided who got a refund and how much they got? If yes, did you knowingly take advantage of their mistake?

Yes, I do think SOE made a mistake. They should not have announced this information, they also should have limited how many refunds a specific player was entitled to. No, I did not take advantage of their mistake.

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Originally Posted by LFG

Of course I'm not going to fall into that trap with your questions. If this was a court of law, I would not be required by a judge to answer your questions. Instead, I would be allowed to provide my own explanation in regard to the subject matter of your question - I would be able to explain myself without getting pidgeonholed by your grade school cheesy attempt to back me into a corner.

If you answer those simple yes or no questions, I promise I'll STFU and go away.

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Originally Posted by LFG

I've said this once and I'll say it again, you piece of shit. You are the worst type of hypocrite. You have a guild mate, EMMA, who has gained 5+ tradeskill levels per night ON MULTIPLE CRAFTERS AT THE SAME TIME, each dinging levels in guild chat at various hours in the middle of the night, with that person never responding to "grats" or anything else, then logging off suddenly and logging on their main in the morning and saying "good morning", and you act like you are blind to the fact they are macroing? Why do you think this person only crafts on the TS stations in his house, and his house is never open to public access while he's crafting? Let me ask you another yes or no question here Dehah: Are you lying, or just stupid, because it can only be one of these two things? Don't accuse me me of exploiting on a technical ground while you are protecting Emma and your entire guild benefits from what he does.

Once again, you attack me by attacking a guild mate of mine. If you have proof of them TS botting, give it to me so I can work on getting them removed from the guild. I am not the guild leader, I can not just lobby to the guild leader to get someone guild removed when the only evidence I have are reports from players that haven't played on our server in over half a year. You accuse me of not noticing things that I wasn't around to notice, and of that, I stand guilty.

I'm sorry to bring this up Ixnay, but I'm sick and tired of your personal attacks on me, so I can't resist anymore.

Shortly after DoF was released, I left my then current guild after a Monk from Descendants left that guild and joined it. He publicly admitted and gloated about Tradeskill botting on the blackburrow forums in a thread that I know for a fact that you've read. I believe you know what post I am referring to. After he joined my guild, I started asking questions as to why we would let a well know cheater into the guild. What I uncovered was that it wasn't restricted to just him. I asked an Inquistor in the guild that crafted a lot if they tradeskill botted, they admitted to me that they did. After talking to the guild leader about whether or not that behavior was supported, I deguilded myself and was guildless for over a month. Everyone said that I wouldn't find a guild that had no botters.

In that one month time frame, I watched both the Monk, who was a publicly admitted tradeskill botter, and the Inquisitor leave my old guild and join YOUR guild: Amend. Cracatoa tried to recruit me and I told him I wouldn't join a guild with a publicly admitted tradeskill botter, he blew me off after that.

Now, are you a dipshit for not knowing that the Monk was a TS botter since I know you read the thread. Look, here is the post right here where he admitted to TS botting.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/e....id=5031#M5031

WHOA! What is that, a post be Ixnay two posts down REPLYING to him. You were guilded with this guy after the date of that post. You KNEW, and he publicly admitted it, and you guilded with him.

There is nothing I can do to someone if I don't have proof, just like SOE can't ban anyone without proof. I am not the guild leader, and even if I was I would not do things on a whim due to a non-guildy's accusations. Maybe Emma is a botter, maybe Emma isn't. But Emma has never said they were a botter, and I have never caught Emma botting, so my hands are tied. You on the other hand, willingly guilded with someone that you knew was a tradeskill botter.

Dehah · 12-08-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

DEHAH, HOW RETARDED ARE YOU?

I STARTED THAT EXACT POST THE VERY MORNING OF THE PATCH, WITH SCREENSHOTS SHOWING EXACTLY HOW MUCH I MADE, AND IT'S BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE GENERAL GAMEPLAY SECTION SINCE:

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/e...cending&page=1

Jesus Christ, how fucking blind and stupid can one person be? And I've even linked that post MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY on this web site.

Seriously man, WTF is the matter with you?

My apoligizes I didn't see that thread there. It seems you don't lack conviction to support your beliefs after all. It will take me some time to read through that thread and catch up. The thread is long, and my time between meetings is short, but I will do my best.

Dehah · 12-08-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I've shown you, clearly, that I walk the walk in this post - I posted exactly what I did on both this post, and on the SoE forums, on the same morning of the patch. This is not an after the fact spin. As my daddy used to tell me, if you don't want to be chased, just don't run. I laid all this shit out in both forums, exactly, and completely admitted every detail of this within an hour of when that patch came out. I have nothing to hide, no embarrassment, zero shame.

And why the fuck do you suppose that is? Because I did NOTHING wrong. And you are not the final arbiter of what is right and wrong concerning my personal moral convictions, sir. If SoE believes anything improper was done by me or anyone else who intentionally acted to profit as I did in this case, let them say so publicly, and then I'll destroy the coin, as I've previously stated.

In the meantime, fuck you again for continuing to act as if I'm trying to hide from shit. You think I'm afraid of you, or anything that you or anyone else in this fucking world can type or say? I'm not, so stop inferring that I'm being a coward, or that I'm hiding something by refusing to follow your bullshit instructions and answer your questions in the way you are demanding them to be answered.

Prick.

Then why are you acting like you did something wrong. If you think you were right, why get all worked up and start with personally attacks right off the bat? Why didn't you attack other people who for the most part said the same thing I did? I must have struck a nerve somewhere.

If you truly think you are right, then calm down and act like it, because right now you are out of control.

LFG · 12-08-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehah

Now, are you a dipshit for not knowing that the Monk was a TS botter since I know you read the thread. Look, here is the post right here where he admitted to TS botting.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/e....id=5031#M5031

WHOA! What is that, a post be Ixnay two posts down REPLYING to him. You were guilded with this guy after the date of that post. You KNEW, and he publicly admitted it, and you guilded with him.

There is nothing I can do to someone if I don't have proof, just like SOE can't ban anyone without proof. I am not the guild leader, and even if I was I would not do things on a whim due to a non-guildy's accusations. Maybe Emma is a botter, maybe Emma isn't. But Emma has never said they were a botter, and I have never caught Emma botting, so my hands are tied. You on the other hand, willingly guilded with someone that you knew was a tradeskill botter.

I don't have the same high and mighty personal stance against being guilded with suspected tradeskill botters that you have.

If I refused to be guilded with tradeskill botters, I would have never joined Club Fu, since Emma was the largest known tradeskill botter on Blackburrow at the time I joined your guild. I knew it, he knew it, the entire server knew it. And yet you are claiming you didn't know it. So I ask you again sir, are you lying, naive, or just stupid? Only answer with one of those three choices please, and don't try and explain, since that is what you expect from others with your questions.

The personal crusade against refusing to be guilded with tradeskill botters is yours, and yours alone. I won't and never have macroed myself, because that is a violation of my personal ethics and beliefs. It really comes down to the fact that I don't cheat.

But regarding what others do, I follow a "don't ask, don't tell" policy. I cannot possibly enforce my beliefs against tradeskill botting against other people. So you only waste bandwidth by accusing me of being guilded with known tradeskill botters, because I openly admit I've knowingly been guilded with known tradeskill botters: I was guilded with Emma in your guild, he is the biggest tradeskill botter in the history of Blackburrow. He fully macroed each of his toons, and he has one for every tradeskill class. The only one he didn't macro in the beginning was Lily, the alchemist, and possibly his jeweler, since those were his first as I recall, and it took him a few weeks after release to obtain the macro software. All of his other characters were fully macroed from level 1 to now level 70.