LFG you dog... - Page 5

Statik · 12-06-2006, 04:45 PM

One word-

Reparations.

I would have done the same thing if I had the time. I just wish they would give us more opportunities to stick it to them.

Statik

SanjuNana · 12-06-2006, 04:52 PM

LFG: Explain this to me ... how is what you did any different than your definition of an exploit posted here: Exploit, a Definition?

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Originally Posted by LFG

Exploiting involves a range of behavior rather than a precise definition.

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At the other end of the range is behavior that's made possible by how the game works, but that obviously trivializes an encounter and allows you to obtain a benefit you didn't earn.

It's the latter type of exploitation that people have the most trouble understanding. If you stumble across a gimmick that makes it ridiculously easy to defeat an epic encounter and get fabled loot (or make 120p?), that is probably an exploit just as a matter of common sense.

(bold an red are by me for emphasis)

I'm not calling you out, exactly, but I don't understand how someone who doesn't carry bank boxes because he believes them to be an exploit can justify manipulating the system to gain platinum (a benefit, however trivial) that he didn't earn.

Rinion · 12-06-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Arangor

Ok let me first just say that I wouldn't call LFG's actions an exploit per say, sure it was in a way taking advantage of an opportunity, but I can't quite say it is against anything he accepts everyday in his EULA. I might be wrong, but I don't believe anything in there states that crafting items to be reimbersed by SoE is against the rules.

However, your defense of LFG rinion, is kinda outta whack. First of all, as we all know, things don't have to be "a hidden bug" to be an exploit. Was reviving with 100% power a hidden bug, or something "anyone with half a brain could" realize. However, we all know about Kalidon's death coordination tactic, and we all screamed exploit then. Because it was. By your reasoning, it would not be. All Kalidon did was use a "unhidden" game mechanic to gain an unfair advantage. All LFG did was use an announcement to gain (what some people may say) is an unfair advantage.

Also, if you actually read the posts previous to the ones that you write, you would have realized that LFG said that he had figured out approx. Granted he was gambling on the fact that SoE's wording and logic were reasonable, this wasn't like flipping a coin. It was an educated decision to make money.

Perhaps you should learn a lesson from Kiara and just admit you're wrong. You're not wrong, IMO, that it isn't an exploit, you're just wrong about WHY it isn't an exploit. I understand comparing zerging on a raid to making coin isn't a very clear similarity, but I just used that example because it was the first thing that popped into my head of a non "hidden bug" that people used.

I have no real problems with what he did. Grats on the 120p.

ok sure im wrong as to the reason why? wtf difference does it make? Im no fan of Kalidon but if you want to get all technical about un-known vs known issues then 'death coordination' wasn't an exploit either. It was a un-intended consequence of a game mechanic, just as buying up all the acrylia and selling it for a profit is a un-intended consequence of a game mechanic change.

were either of them against the rules? nope or they would of been banned.

Sir as for this statment. "Also, if you actually read the posts previous to the ones that you write, you would have realized that LFG said that he had figured out approx"

if you bothered to look at the times they were posted you can see that my post was exactly one minute after LFG's you know what this implies? we were writing them at the same time and he simply finished first. If I had that information before hand then yes my post would of looked Different.

But no, your right, im wrong. I surrender. You are the champion my friend.

Athioc · 12-06-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Elanie

Do you always have to edit to add in an insult to me? I would be flattered, but thats like the Special Ed kids at school who used to shout obscenites in the middle of class. It has less punch if you have to edit it in as an afterthought.

Like I said, LFG, if I had more money at the time, I would have picked up a couple more and adorned my back up gear as well, but I've been pouring all my money into tradeskilling lately, so I had to make due with the one I had on me.

That's just it Elanie, you are an afterthought and how can you defend him when you misread my post and then state you would do the same thing?

Alania · 12-06-2006, 05:03 PM

I can defend the fact that at the time he put the adornments on, he had no idea how much the reimbursement would be. Is that hard to comprehend? If given the chance, I would have done the same, but I am currently broke from leveling up tradeskilling, so I had only one adornment (which I have had for a while, ask LFG, I bought it from him) so i only got reimbursed for one.

Its not a difficult concept. And seriously, get a new hobby. No one gives a shit about me.

LFG · 12-06-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SanjuNana

LFG: Explain this to me ... how is what you did any different than your definition of an exploit posted here: Exploit, a Definition?

A snippet:

(bold an red are by me for emphasis)

I'm not calling you out, exactly, but I don't understand how someone who doesn't carry bank boxes because he believes them to be an exploit can justify manipulating the system to gain platinum (a benefit, however trivial) that he didn't earn.

SoE published a notice they were doing something. I didn't know exactly what they were doing, but took a risk and acted on that information, and it worked out to my advantage.

In my view, this is totally different from a situation where someone realizes they can purchase an item from Shady Swashbuckler for 5 g, examine it to change it, then sell it back for 60 g. SoE didn't make a post describing that situation and telling people it was ok to do. Since that situation was unknown except to the person who discovered it, it was an exploit to act on it.

SoE's public notice that this was going to happen, IMO, granted me permission to do what I did.

I would like to add that my situation involved risk, and I did not know whether I was going to only get back fuel cost, or a greater amount. I took the bet and won. This is much different than acting on secret information for a guaranteed result. In fact, there is no comparison.

Draydin · 12-06-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SanjuNana

but I don't understand how someone who doesn't carry bank boxes because he believes them to be an exploit can justify manipulating the system to gain platinum (a benefit, however trivial) that he didn't earn.

OMG! Who doesn't carry bank boxes? (asside from those with measly str). I fail to see how hauling around 6 crates is any less realistic than hauling around 6 24 slot backpacks filled with armor, and the like...

Panthera · 12-06-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

In my view, this is totally different from a situation where someone realizes they can purchase an item from Shady Swashbuckler for 5 g, examine it to change it, then sell it back for 60 g. SoE didn't make a post describing that situation and telling people it was ok to do. Since that situation was unknown except to the person who discovered it, it was an exploit to act on it.

So that was what happened with Shady for a few days.

LFG · 12-06-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Panthera

So that was what happened with Shady for a few days.

Stein of Mogguk. And then it happened after that to another item, if my info is correct.

Usildor · 12-06-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

SoE published a notice they were doing something. I didn't know exactly what they were doing, but took a risk and acted on that information, and it worked out to my advantage.

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Originally Posted by LFG

The way I looked at it at the time, even if they only reimbursed fuel costs, I still wouldn't have lost money, but it would have taken a while to sell all the extra adornments I made.

It doesn't really bother me because I agree that this wasnt an exploit. I'd say it's a bit morally ambiguous but this was a big announcement made anyone had access to. Would have been better to just nerf and let people get their money at that time.

But....let's cut the bullshit. Everybody. This was not a risk as shown in the above quotes. You weren't taking a fucking risk. What a crock of shit. You knew at the least you'd get back what you spent, and just have to spend a couple extra days waiting for stuff on the broker to sell. That, my friend, is not a risk. If you think it is, I want to live your life for a few days. It must be cushy.

Don't get me wrong, kudos to you. Wish I had known about it and cashed in but I probably wouldn't have anyway cause I still think it's questionable ethically, but props to those who took advantage. But stop fucking kidding yourself about this "I gambled, I won" shit.