Arangor

Don't take it so personal I never said I wanted to be a "champion." Jesus everyone on here's too touchy.

I apologize I didn't see how close the posting time was. Actually, as soon as I clicked sumbit reply, I noticed there were like 4 posts made before mine in the 2 minute span it took me to type it out.

I don't wanna get into the whole death coordination thing. I'll leave that one alone. I think the reason WHY something is/isn't an exploit is actually pretty important, because it explains people's definitions of what exploiting is. If I were to call it something an exploit, and defended it by saying something incorrect, then me calling it an exploit doesn't hold any truth. It may still be an exploit to some degree, but not by my reasoning. I was just pointing out what I thought was not a correct statement, which is quite the nature of this board. No reason to overreact about it...If I had known the resulting reaction I would never have posted it...I tried to keep my post as insult free and respectful as possible.

Usarina

I'm not interested in the moral situation, as I made considerably more than 120plat and I feel no guilt whatsoever. Whining is whining, although I think the OP was pointing out possible hypocrisy rather than just whining for it's own sake. He degenerated into madness and stupidity pretty rapidly tho.

I'm much more interested in where they got the figure of 4p50 from. On Splitpaw the 400s were selling for 3plat for most of the time, and were down to 2plat on the broker the evening before the patch hit. I guess for the first day or two it's possible they went for more than 5plat. T7 treasured and Adepts were constantly available for under 20g, (until I started buying them en masse at around midnight) putting raws and fuels together under 1plat.

What truly astounded me was that the adornments were also returned...'4p50 and we're taking that broken item off you, so sorry' I can understand, but to pay for it AND let us keep them just /boggles me.

I'm curious as to what prices were like on US servers? Anyone shed any light on why 4p50?

And even more off-topic...I'm getting t7 powders:fragments 1:4.

Per se, not per say. Irritates the fuck outta me.

Panthera

Be cool if someone actually went through the trouble to look up prices and create an average. Since the price was consistant across servers, perhaps they just pulled down a reasonable number. High for some servers, low for others. I suspect it had more to do with trying to stave off the anger many would feel in the actual adjustment. People, however, will bitch about anything. I only wish I felt comfortable in taking more advantage of this.

Powder to fragments? Yes. Sucks big time. So is the randomness of chest drops. I created several alts on a secondary account specifcally to farm for materials.

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Broomhilde

Public information is just that, public. Anyone has access to it. If someone decides to take a risk based on that information they are in no more of an advantageous position then anyone else. This is completely fair and just for all. True capitalism is based on such risks and you have a chance to lose just as you have the chance to win.

An example of an unfair advantge would be the case of Marth Stewart a few years back. Ms. Stewart got sent to the slammer because she dumped stock after learning from an insider that it was going to the shitter. That information was NOT public therefore she had an unfair advantage over the rest of the investing public. This is unfair and unjust as true capitalist markets demands everyone should have the same opportunities to lose or win it was decided by securities regulators and the courts to put her ass away for exploiting this non-public info she received.

Got it? Good.

SOE fucked up...again. I feel bad for those that studied transmuting and got to a high level after spending 100's of plat to now have their wares nerfed. Whether or not the nerf was deserved or not is irrelevant. They studied something, put alot of sweat and tears into getting up there to reap the rewards only to find their best products altered. IF one of them managed to make a little money while SOE 'fixed" this I say More Power To Them! Im holding off on leveling my tinkering cause I'm sure thats next on the list to "fix".

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Statik

I hear that, I am not touching any of the new tradeskills until they "fix" them. lol

LFG

I'm not sure where the prices came from either.

On Nek, I sold several hundred of these adornments on the broker. The highest price I ever charged was 3p. I then reduced my prices to 2.5 p the week before the patch.

The arm/hat refund was 4.5 p.

The ring refund was what, 3.5 p for the treasured ones? What's wierd was the fabled ring adornments (I'd made a few early, before all T5 and T6 transmuted rares became bugged), were reimbursed at the same amount as the treasured ring adornments.

They should have also reimbursed the glancing splint and the spiked strap adornments, because those were nerfed at least equally as hard as the hp/power adornments, at least in my opinion.

But I'm not complaining about receiving a gift, and even if SoE didn't handle this perfectly as some people claim, they damn sure made a better effort in this situation than they've ever done in the past. And for that I'd like to say again, good job SoE, I appreciate it, and so do many many other non-vocal players I've talked to since yesterday.

I think it's a huge mistake for anyone to complain about reimbursement in this case - do they want to send SoE the message that they'd rather get nothing in the next nerf?

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Kisy

as the saying goes.. if you have money - you can't help but make more money.

Congrats LFG you took a chance and it paid off.

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Xopher

No no, it's much better that the first time they try something like this we have people massively taking advantage of it. That'll encourage them to do this again for sure!!!!

Simonsays

Prices probably came from an avg of all servers not just ours, nek seems to have a lower economy compared to some of the other servers since i doubt they would to prices on a server bases.

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Dehah

LFG exploited.

Here are the patch notes:

"- Hit Point and Power Adornments: These have been reduced in effectiveness. In order to be as fair as possible, for each of these that you had previously attached to your gear, you'll find the new versions of them available in your Overflow, as well as the market value of them refunded to your available coin."

Note the bolded part, specifically the "for each of these that you had previously attached to your gear."

So LFG had to make a bunch of these, buy crap rings and hats and adorn them so he could be reimbursed, and when the patch came, like magic he made 120p for doing... nothing.

Do you think SOE intended for players to make over 100p by making tons of these items--even though they knew they were going to be nerfed--so that they could be reimbursed? No.

The reimbursement was intended to help lighten the blow to the players that legitimately bought these items prior to the announcement. LFG, as well as anyone else, could see the loophole that SOE left and exploited it for personal gain. Just because SOE published notes on what they were doing does not mean that it was flawless. Obviously, there were very deep flaws in it, and some people--like LFG--decided to exploit these flaws for personal gain.

I honestly don't know what was going through LFG's mind. On one hand, he stood at risk of losing money, and on the other hand he exploited a loophole in SOE's logic to gain 120p. Looks like a lose-lose situation to me.

Compare this to the repeated transmuting of certain HQ items for personal gain. In both cases, players could gain a benefit by taking advantage of something that SOE did not intend.

I'll say it once again, LFG exploited.

To LFG: Unless you have a solid argument that SOE intended for players to take this information for the purposes of being award hundreds of plat for doing jack-shit, then you have no argument at all. You exploited SOE's oversight, just like every other exploiter. Wake up and smell the coffee man. If you are smart, you'd call it out as what it was: a lapse in moral judgment. If you continue to argue that you didn't exploit then you are just making yourself look like a hypocrite.

If you don't think this was exploiting, then your moral compass is about as good as Jack Sparrow's compass, i.e. it points only to what you desire most.