LFG

Dehah, I have no interest in harming your guild. But what I've stated has always been common knowledge on Blackburrow, and something I personally observed on dozens of occassions, for 24 hour crafting sessions, level 6 characters dead on the floor in front of a crafting station for 12+ hours on more than a half a dozen occasions I'm personally familiar with and witnessed myself. This was the running joke on Blackburrow in the Freeport crafting channel for the first year of EQ2. It pretty much shocks me that you are in denial of this, or choose to deny it.

What I'm telling you is this - I probably don't look at things like this the same way you do. You have accused me of being the EQ2 version of a criminal. I take that personally. Coming back at you in the way I did is quid pro quo.

But in response to everything you've accused me of substantively, I again repeat what I said above:

What I did would have been perfectly legal and legitimate under US securities laws. I profit on public information as often as possible in real life. I do not apply a "is this in the best interest of society standard" before so profiting. My standard is "is this legal, or not?" If it is, I proceed with a clean conscience. If it isn't, I don't proceed at all.

Stop trying to layer your additional, inapplicable morals on me in this situation. Neither your morals nor the post you made are appropriate in this case. I have made my statement, and am not going to argue further details with you. Choose to think as you will, I know what I know, and my moral code is at least as strict as yours, if not stricter. Again I repeat, fuck you for accusing me of this in the way you did. You should be old enough to recognize what is a personal attack, and what is not. We have now both made personal attacks on each other, whether you understand that or not.

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Dehah

You continue to try to attack me by attacking a guild member of mine. I haven't resorted to attacking your guild, have I? Now why would it surprise you that a Qeynosian crafter would have never heard of the running jokes that took place in the Freeport crafting channel. If you do have proof, I still want to see it, I'm trying to keep this on topic, and the topic of this thread is not me, or my guild. So I ask you again, please start a new thread if you truely wish to discuss those things, and I will discuss them with you there.

Just answer these straight forward questions for me Ixnay.

Do you think that it was SOE's intention for players to adorn as many items as possible in anticipation of the refund to amass large quantities of wealth ranging from 100p to 1000p virtually over night?

Do you think SOE made a mistake with how they decided who got a refund and how much they got? If yes, did you knowingly take advantage of their mistake?

Just answer the questions Ixnay. What is so hard about that? Are you afraid of how your answers will make you look?

LFG

In life, people are charged with the consequences of the information they publicly disclose. Being a major corporation that does this for a living, SoE knew or should have known that their announcement would cause players to act to maximize their wealth. By making that announcement, SoE gave me permission to do what I did.

As I have told you, this plat means nothing to me, this was all sport. I do currently feel that I have a moral right to retain it, and that it is not ill gotten gains. If anyone from SoE ever posts that they feel differently, as I stated, I will either destroy the money, or give it to a reputable person for them to destroy, so I can prove it was destroyed.

That's it. I'm a big boy, and you will not be able to back me into a corner with words of your choice. I've made my statement, and will be happy to address any questions you have concerning what I've written above.

But good lord man, realize in life that calling someone an exploiter and a hypocrite is per se a personal attack. And next time, don't be so surprised when someone punches you in the face after you make such an attack.

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Dio

How can something be labeled as an exploit when it didn't state what the refund would be? In the patch notes, it clearly states "market value." Who determined the market value? LFG didn't. You didn't. Not one of us playing this game had any idea if the refund that we were getting in a monetary value was broker prices or vendor prices.

I don't understand how you can make an attack on someone for a risk that the person took. Not you nor I had any idea what the refund would be. LFG took a chance. I didn't b/c I didn't have the plat to risk it. You didn't for your own reasons.

Get over it and run back to your GAME.

Panthera

Well this little gem sums up you up just perfectly.

It is just a video game. No matter how much of yourself you invest in it, if SoE's servers were all wiped, nothing in reality would change for you. Your life would be the exact same if SoE never existed.

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oxyl

well said, as always lfg. i haven't been around lately but it's nice to see you keeping all the riff-raff in line .over and out.

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Johnathon

I wish i was high enough to do the same.

IMO LFG was right, and I would have done the same thing.

FFS, good job reading the bones / runes / cards LFG.. next time let me know.

Usarina

Actually, there was no risk as it was clearly stated that the adornments would be placed in overflow. No t7 transmuter is going to get excited about a refund of 2g30 for fuel costs, but re-selling the adornment will still provide the original intended profit.

On SP you could buy the 100 hp and 100 power adornments for 50g each today.

There may be a small over-supply.

Dehah

I agree with you, that this isn't something that SOE will go about banning people over. It was their mistake. I'm arguing that you took advantage of their mistake for personal gain. You admitted to manipulating the system that SOE put forth to reimburse people who were legitimately affected by the adornment nerf. You walked away with an additional 120p.

So if it is not ill gotten gains, you must feel that you have earned this chunk of cash. You must feel that the effort involved--crafting adornments and adorning items--entitles you to 120p. You must also believe that this is a one time special event that only smart players were entitled to, because they read the patch notes.

It would unbalance the economy if people were able to always make this kind of platinum from creating these adornments. Imagine for a second that these adornments sold back to NPCs for 4p each. People would obviously be up in arms if this was the case because it would be the highest cash generator in the game. Not to mention it is restricted to only a few tradeskill classes that can create the hp/power adornments. If something like this went live, it wouldn't take long for people to realize that it was a bug and was unintended. No one would stand to allow the highest cash generator in the game to be the crafting of specific adornments.

Now, take that obviously broken situation and apply it as a one time event, that lasted from when the test notes went live to when the patch hit the real servers. Just because it was a one time event that didn't last long, doesn't mean that the situation is any less wrong. It just means that there was a short window for people to take advantage of it.

You crafted a few adornments, and you made over 120p from it. No one else can do that, and yet you don't feel the slightest prick of regret over the fact that you did so little to earn so much.

It's not like I asked "Do you still beat your wife?". These questions don't paint you bad no matter what way you answer them. I'll go ahead and answer my own questions as well.

Do you think that it was SOE's intention for players to adorn as many items as possible in anticipation of the refund to amass large quantities of wealth ranging from 100p to 1000p virtually over night?

No, I do not think SOE intended for people to make over 100p from crafting a few adornments. To earn that much from tradeskill writs would take an extremely long time and I refuse to believe it was SOE's intention.

Do you think SOE made a mistake with how they decided who got a refund and how much they got? If yes, did you knowingly take advantage of their mistake?

Yes, I do think SOE made a mistake. They should not have announced this information, they also should have limited how many refunds a specific player was entitled to. No, I did not take advantage of their mistake.

I wasn't the first person in this thread to suggest that you exploited. You didn't personally attack them, but you choose to personally attack me. Not only that, but you drag Emma into this conversation out of no where as a way of trying to "play hardball" with me.

The reason I am surprised is because you didn't attack anyone else in this thread, and because you didn't even attack me you went straight for people in my guild, which you said yourself you have friends in. You couldn't even come up with a flame for me, you had nothing and had to go after other people. I am shocked because typically when a person can no longer defend themselves they go on the offensive instead; it is practically like giving up.

But judging from your last post, you aren't giving up. I'll concede to you that I doubt SOE would have a legal foothold for banning your account or otherwise taking disciplinary action against you. But for the reasons stated above, I still feel that you took advantage of SOE's mistake for personal gain, for fun, or for whatever reason may be.

Panthera

Yes, you are limited. You are painting with such broad brush strokes as to narrowly define yourself in either camp A or B; Black or White. Life is full of grey. Morality is and should be defined by point of view and context. Take your guild: Club FU.

Your very guild name is a defiance of the naming policies of the game. Have you resigned? Have you reported it as a violation of the EULA? If not, why?

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