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Old 03-25-2008, 11:31 AM  
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The heal parse is a whole other can of worms that makes it no fun if you are any class other than the defiler. Everybody is too busy patting the defiler on the back to notice how much the other healers worked in keeping people up.

I'd speak up if I were you then. Unless things have changed since I've left, in my guild we ran a heal parse, but the defiler was kind of factored out of the equation. He got props, but mostly focus was on who were at the bottom of parse, by how much, and why... And then ridiculed mercilessly.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:19 PM  
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Its called whack-a-mole, the game which most of us grew out of by the time we turned 12. Yeah, its something to do, but is it fun?

The problem with curing otherwise is that it is all-or-nothing. Its binary. Either you cure in time and pass, or you don't cure in time and fail. The consequences for failure, depending on the encounter, can include a raid wipe. What is the reward for successful curing? A message in the chat window saying "Such-and-such has been removed from so-and-so." There is perhaps the satisfaction of knowing that without you the raid would have wiped, that basically anyone with normal reflexes could do the same thing, and there will be little to no acknowledgment of your role in defeating the encounter.

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Maybe because the dps class gets to measure their epeens on the dps parse for button mashing where all that curers get is screamed at for having an impairment stay on the tank for more than .5 sec. .

When I made the character it was a "healer" class....not a "curer" class. I am fine curing things but god damn it.....some fights I don't get a chance to heal because I am spamming cures the whole fight. Last thing we need is another cure to think about.
You're an idiot, and your logic is why raids wipe consistantly. We all understand healer's desire to be on a DPS parse, so that they can say OOOO AHHH I parsed! However, curing is part of healing in EQ2. Being a whiny bitch about it doesn't help much.
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add in debuff and heals to the cures you think everyone is complaining about, leaving damage attacks out, and a healer is pretty busy clicking buttons most of the fight. The fact that they are adding a new cure to a list that already requires you to react with the correct cure while still keeping the mob debuffed and the group alive is why some people don't find the idea fun.

It is a lot more involved than your simple explaination of clicking 1-4.
Everyone is just mashing buttons in EQ2. No one is exempt.
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No...how can it be more fun when healers are constantly spamming stuff as it is?

You said you raided with your healer.... from your posts I am sure you haven't raided avatars, overking, VS ect...

The mischief fight alone the druid in my group cured 1200 impairments on 1 fight and those are the ones that I missed so I assume that I cured just about as many as she did. Thats 1 damn group out of 4 groups. I think we ran 8 healers that fight so thats about 9600 cures raidwide. That seems fun to you?

[edit] Plus, a DPS dosen't HAVE to spam buttons and really doesn't have to pay attention to anything they do. Healers have to stare at the health bars the entire fight and have crazy twitch reflexes to cure things as soon as they pop up. That takes such a toll on the healers being that attentive that it makes it no fun.
You're such a moron. I carry my own pots, I'm CONSTANTLY casting arcane especially if the MT needs it, or another mage or something in my group, and I also have Elemental Cure for the shits of it. Most DPS play the same way. We aren't all just parse droolers expecting the healers to do everything without the glory. Thanks for being a Martyr.

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That's called retards who don't think about what their healers do.
Exactly. Anyone with a brain at all understands what goes into cure spamming, but its a necessity, and I know for a fact, I make a big deal out of it when we can get through an entire raid and the healer or healers in my group are spot on with the cures.

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Its called whack-a-mole, the game which most of us grew out of by the time we turned 12. Yeah, its something to do, but is it fun?

The problem with curing otherwise is that it is all-or-nothing. Its binary. Either you cure in time and pass, or you don't cure in time and fail. The consequences for failure, depending on the encounter, can include a raid wipe. What is the reward for successful curing? A message in the chat window saying "Such-and-such has been removed from so-and-so." There is perhaps the satisfaction of knowing that without you the raid would have wiped, that basically anyone with normal reflexes could do the same thing, and there will be little to no acknowledgment of your role in defeating the encounter.
Everyone mashes buttons. Healers are no different.
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I'm an idiot and I am the reason that the raid wipes because I chain cure as fast as I can? Uhhh ok.

I don't really give a fuck about being on a dps parse (I don't know how the hell you got that I like to dps out of what I said). I rolled a healer to heal and cure but cures in this game are way out of control and yet they add another one.

Grats on casting your cure arcane with your long ass refresh. I am sure you get the full effect on how much of a spamfest it is with that.

I was trying to say how draining it is playing a healer constantly looking for shit to cure all the time and reacting in 1/2 a second so the raid doesn't wipe.

DPS does NOT have that problem and I know so many DPS that watch tv or chat with other people in tells while fighting and it doesn't hurt thier dps any. Try that playing a healer.


Oh and... fuck you.
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I'm an idiot and I am the reason that the raid wipes because I chain cure as fast as I can? Uhhh ok.

I don't really give a fuck about being on a dps parse (I don't know how the hell you got that I like to dps out of what I said). I rolled a healer to heal and cure but cures in this game are way out of control and yet they add another one.

Grats on casting your cure arcane with your long ass refresh. I am sure you get the full effect on how much of a spamfest it is with that.

I was trying to say how draining it is playing a healer constantly looking for shit to cure all the time and reacting in 1/2 a second so the raid doesn't wipe.

DPS does NOT have that problem and I know so many DPS that watch tv or chat with other people in tells while fighting and it doesn't hurt thier dps any. Try that playing a healer.


Oh and... fuck you.
You must be playing a different game, because outside of Mischief, there really isn't that many times you need to "chain" your cures.
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dps = fun because you're trying to hit all your buttons fast enough and in the right order to do the most damage. if you miss, you slip a bit in the parse or you miss out on reaching your potential. you don't wipe or fail an encounter if you miss a spell in your rotation. also, blowing things up in general is fun.

curing = no fun because you're constantly switching targets to do it while trying to take care of your main job (healing) at the same time. if you miss a cure button by even a second, it can be game over. you don't just lose the parse, you have to start over. that's very stressful, frustrating with the amount of lag inherent in online gaming and eq2 in general, and just not fun. there's no blowing things up or glory, just you sitting there on edge ready to whack the next detrimental off your ally. the current mechanics force healers into a dual role situation where they cannot afford to give up one for the other.

it would be like having a 10 second duration, 1 second cast time, instant reuse mez and having to lock down 6 mobs and still maintain your regular single target max dps on a 7th.

edit: also keep in mind that in many cure-intensive encounters, there aren't timers on when someone's going to need a cure. then you can't even compare a spell rotation in which you're familiar with when things will be up again to curing at all.

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I'm an idiot and I am the reason that the raid wipes because I chain cure as fast as I can? Uhhh ok.
No, your mentality wipes raids. This, I shouldn't have to heal everyone, I'm a healer, not a curer mentality. I didn't say you did.
I don't really give a fuck about being on a dps parse (I don't know how the hell you got that I like to dps out of what I said). I rolled a healer to heal and cure but cures in this game are way out of control and yet they add another one.
You bitch and bitch about a parse. It would appear you're a little butthurt that you can't dps. And TBH, the only reason that I see most guilds I've ever been in use a parse was to watch and see who was slacking. Sure, its nice to be at the top, but its not like it really means anything. Just a tool to monitor people's output.
Grats on casting your cure arcane with your long ass refresh. I am sure you get the full effect on how much of a spamfest it is with that.
Oh, its not the refresh you think it is. I'm at work atm, so I can't look it up, but I'd wager its not over 3 seconds. And throwing that in there with another cure, shards, pet commands, and my dps....AND pots so that I don't have to overwork my healers....and I'm doing about what you are. Everyone in EQ2 spams and plays whackamole. Why do you think you're special?
I was trying to say how draining it is playing a healer constantly looking for shit to cure all the time and reacting in 1/2 a second so the raid doesn't wipe.
Oh yeah? How about a DPS class where I have to control my pet, maintain full out DPS, cast shards, and I also have 2 cures? I'm not in ANY way suggesting that Conjuror is that hard to play, but its no easier than a regular old fashioned healer/curer.
DPS does NOT have that problem and I know so many DPS that watch tv or chat with other people in tells while fighting and it doesn't hurt thier dps any. Try that playing a healer.
I know plenty of DPS that can't and won't send a tell or do anything else besides DPS, because its what they decided to do. You have such a perverse idea of how DPS works, its sad.

Oh and... fuck you.
Oh, don't worry. I know you're angry from being called out because you're bitching over a negligible effect that's ultimately going to get cures consilidated (fucking lame). I would be too if I was shitty at my class, and had to exaggerate situations on the forums because I really didn't know what I was doing.
I think I adressed the main issues.
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Old 03-25-2008, 07:00 PM  
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I think I adressed the main issues.
Wow dude... issues?

1.) I heal everybody I can. I don't know where you think I said I didn't heal.

2.) Like i said before. I could give a fuck about the dps parse...its not my job.

3.) I am pretty sure that the mage recast on cure is 30 seconds.

4.) I don't know how hard it is to play a conj but I can tell you that you need to pay attention ALOT more as a healer.

5.) Glad that you know DPS that won't send people tells or do other things but I know quite a few that do.

6.) Not angry...just amazed that you don't see how much of a spamfest that healers have to endure. As madrat said earlier....blowing shit up is fun.... curing shit that nobody notices isn't. Plus, I'm not trying to get the cure consolidated....I am just boggled why they are adding in another since its already a fucken spamfest as it is. /shrug

As for being shitty at my class.... I personally think I am pretty damn good at my class and have had tons of compliments on how well I play it so until you group with me don't pass judgment on things you know nothing about.
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Wow dude... issues?

1.) I heal everybody I can. I don't know where you think I said I didn't heal.

2.) Like i said before. I could give a fuck about the dps parse...its not my job.

3.) I am pretty sure that the mage recast on cure is 30 seconds.

4.) I don't know how hard it is to play a conj but I can tell you that you need to pay attention ALOT more as a healer.

5.) Glad that you know DPS that won't send people tells or do other things but I know quite a few that do.

6.) Not angry...just amazed that you don't see how much of a spamfest that healers have to endure. As madrat said earlier....blowing shit up is fun.... curing shit that nobody notices isn't. Plus, I'm not trying to get the cure consolidated....I am just boggled why they are adding in another since its already a fucken spamfest as it is. /shrug

As for being shitty at my class.... I personally think I am pretty damn good at my class and have had tons of compliments on how well I play it so until you group with me don't pass judgment on things you know nothing about.
1. I never said you didn't heal. I said your attitude sucks, and it perpetuates into other healers. I don't even know who the fuck you are.

2. You're bitching cause you wanna be able to parse, or heal parse, or slack. One of those three. Otherwise, its not a bad gig being a healer that cures.

3. 9.2 second recast.

4. I can assure you that a healer requires no more attention to play well than a Conjuror does, or most any other class for that matter. You're confusing general playing ability, and top end playing ability. Each class requires attention at that point. Healers are not special in that attribute.

5. You know shitty players then. If any class wants to be good, they aren't watching tv (except maybe some of the more talented, but that includes healers as well)

6. Like I said, I don't know, nor could I give a fuck less who you are, or how you play. You aren't gonna get pity from me by trying to pretend that a healer curing is so unbelievably consuming that your brain melts during raids. And JFC, why does it matter that people see that you cured? Why are you so into self glory?
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