EQ2 Dev Diary~ - Page 8

Orenishi · 04-04-2008, 11:43 AM

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Lighten up you say? So says the lady who's not exactly a good role model for her kids after the stunt you pulled the last time I was guilded with you...and yeah I haven't forgotten about that either.

Excuse me? As many others have stated their opinion I have also. You know nothing about me or what kind of role model I am however I will gladly tell you what kind of role model I am.

I am a loud mouth opinionated person who speaks her mind and that is how I raise my kids to be. To not conform to someone else's opinion or follow what others do and to make their own choices and if by chance the choice they make is the wrong one to accept the outcome. I choose not to shelter my kids and guess what THAT is my choice and IMO will make my children stronger and prepared when it is time for them to go into the real world on there own. They will not have false expectations of what the world is and who people are. Now that may not be the "christian" way but it is my way.

You chose to censor your kids as you stated and that is YOUR choice I personally can care less. I also can look at myself in the mirror at the end of every day and I know that I protected my children and taught them what they need to know at the time they need to know it and in a manner where they understand what is right, what is wrong and why.

Now maybe you felt my comments were a personal attack in some way but they were in fact an opinion which last time I checked I was entitled to and not a personal attack on anyone.

Zacii · 04-04-2008, 04:02 PM

Teach your kids right from wrong, and guide them along, but censorship does not do anything except cause them to be unprepared for the real world, which is not censored.

Linbran · 04-04-2008, 04:17 PM

I agreed they should be allowed to play, but you need to censor them to the point that everything coming out of their mouth's isn't shit. I have somewhat of a problem swearing, but I still think children should be raised to not think its normal to talk immaturely. And if they are learning to talk by what they read on a chat screen, then thats in the wrong.

Bigguss · 04-05-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dilfx

True, they are different, but it could be a jump start into actually learning the real thing. GH teaches eye-hand coordination, rhythm, timing, strumming, hammer-on's, pull-off's, etc., but will never be a complete package. But I do think the game teaches the basics that are major roadblocks to new guitarists.

Actually, on this topic, I read an interview with Slash about this and he said its uhh actually detrimental to trying to learn real guitar playing and he was involved in the last game.

Tyirul · 04-06-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cervanto

I didn't say that it takes a psychological/emotional component to reproduce, I said there is one that is not present in other animals specifically because of our higher cognitive abilities, which makes us complicated, which makes us special. There are people who feel nothing, do horrible things out of greed and self-motivation, but these are outliers and the exception shouldn't make the rule.

Ah, but the "exception" is common enough practice that it's not a great mystery to anyone who seeks to know about it. If it were so rare as to be a Ghandi-esque thing- then maybe. Until then, the answer is no.

Just like the other species with the ability to reason, to build civilizations, to map the genome, to send people to the moon, to destroy all life on the planet if we wanted to. Stop denying that we are totally different and special and that requires us to responsible.

Do any research lately? There are some very intelligent animals out there. Are they mapping genomes yet.. not really, but they are part of intricate societies, they are able to speak the human language and understand it. We are merely farther along the cognitive evolution branch. Do you honestly think that if wild animals ever decided humans were more tasty and less dangerous then normal prey that we wouldn't be set into a vicious war against wildlife? Ha! As far as us being responsibile, to a degree perhaps, we should be responsibile enough to let things play out as they will and not interfere.

Not true. As civilizations have evolved/grown we have encroached on the habitats of other animals and through not understanding or not caring about what we were doing have changed things. Putting things back to normal or changing them for the better only makes sense (higher cognition). We can not simply co-exist without having an impact.

When seeking to change nature, humans do not have the coginitive ability to plan as in-depth nor the vision to see ages into the future to plan accordingly. Once we've fucked something up, it's pretty much fucked. We can simply use what we need as an individual and leave the rest alone. There are ways to get by without causing a traumatic impact, your presence is no doubt going to be noticied but it doesn't have to be lethal or intervening.

Just because everything that we do hasn't turned out for the best, doesn't mean that the decision to act wasn't the correct one to make. Using your theory, we don't do smart things like allow logging companies to clear dead lumber and undergrowth from forests just because activists don't like logging of any sort so you have huge fires that burn 1000's of acres and homes instead of smaller and much more manageable fires. This is a case where sitting idly by and just coexisting puts people/animals/habitats in danger. When you've already changed the environment, you have to be responsible and manage it.

Action is a great thing. Forethought, and planning are far better. Interfering with the natural event of things is horrendous and should never be forgiven. If you don't want your shit to burn, the get the fuck out. It's that simple. Human logic says we must control, when in reality we are doing nothing but fucking things over. There is no such thing as management, you simply should've left it alone to begin with. Once it's done, it's done.

Humans have this irresistble urge to go in muck shit up wherever they are. I can't deny, I can be one of those people. Occassionally, I find life to get a tad less exciting and go around and intice drama. Once it's happened though, I don't try to "manage" it or "control" it because it's won't work. You simply flow with it and let it govern itself back to normalcy. By intervening you are disturbing the natural balance of things and fucking up new shit.

toobig · 04-06-2008, 03:03 AM

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Idiom · 04-07-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Teach them both. Interesting thing I heard a preacher say, is that people focus on the killings done in the name of religion but never compare them to those done in the name of "rational" godlessness (Nazism, Communism, Reign of Terror during French Revolution, etc). And then there was Reagan's great speech on the matter.

I love ya Illuminator but I have to disagree.

Hitler was a christian and his evil deeds were based on biblical scripture. It provided him, as well as countless others, all the justification needed to commit all manner of atrocities.

To the others I won't speak, but as an Atheist I grow weary of seeing this misinformation scattered about when in fact Hitler was very religious and far from rational.

Idiom · 04-07-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Orenishi

I am a loud mouth opinionated person who speaks her mind and that is how I raise my kids to be. To not conform to someone else's opinion or follow what others do and to make their own choices and if by chance the choice they make is the wrong one to accept the outcome. I choose not to shelter my kids and guess what THAT is my choice and IMO will make my children stronger and prepared when it is time for them to go into the real world on there own. They will not have false expectations of what the world is and who people are. Now that may not be the "christian" way but it is my way.

QFE!

I am the same way, I protect my kids from things that are really bad, like pedophiles and religion (funny how they go hand in hand together), but I don't censor life in general.

I teach them to think for themselves and to always remember that their actions have consequences and that they alone are responsible for them, there is no magic man in the sky who is to blame for good deeds or bad, it's all on us.

Xian people have to censor what their children are exposed to, less the brainwashing be broken and they see religion for the lie that it is.

Keep up the good work woman, the world needs more parents like you.

maria · 04-07-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LFG

Agreed. Please don't make sexual comments about underaged girls on this site.

Thank you for your support.

what happens if you're 17 yourself? there's no harm at all in that.

lol sorry for the ultra delay i look at this site twice a month

Soulforged · 04-07-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by maria

what happens if you're 17 yourself? there's no harm at all in that.

lol sorry for the ultra delay i look at this site twice a month

LFG responded to that question, look in the first few pages.

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Originally Posted by Orenishi

I am a loud mouth opinionated person who speaks her mind and that is how I raise my kids to be. To not conform to someone else's opinion or follow what others do and to make their own choices and if by chance the choice they make is the wrong one to accept the outcome. I choose not to shelter my kids and guess what THAT is my choice and IMO will make my children stronger and prepared when it is time for them to go into the real world on there own. They will not have false expectations of what the world is and who people are. Now that may not be the "christian" way but it is my way.

As Idiom wrote, the world does need more parents that are like you, but IMO, the world's parents need one change to your theory. You have to be able to listen to, and take into account other peoples' opinions and understandings into your own actions. To distance yourself from everyone esles opinions and what the rest of humanity does, is to separate yourself from that humanity, and when you accomplish that, you don't care what happens to others, and are free to do whatever you want (same end that you came to). The idea for that, is a psychopath, someone who has lost all empathy for what other humans feel, and no-one really likes a psychopath do they? Sure,they can accept the consequences, but one persons consequences *never* only affect themselves.

Yea, your kids will be "stronger" and "more prepared" to independent in their adult life, but human nature NEEDS people to have interdependence.

Not saying that you're intently trying to raise your kids to be psychopaths, but that the general way of raising them that you described, is leading them down that line.

Notes: I did not say that a person has to conform and follow what someone else does, but that they do have to be able to listen and take into account other peoples' actions and opinions.