Comalv

i don't see why ppl even care about getting 30+ FPS in this game anyways, even if PVP you don't really need more than 20-25 to get the best out of it, it's not CoD4 or UT3

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Pinski

Because people are stupid, and want the highest #s that exist. If it's not 100, it's crap!

Which I disagree with.

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Illuminator

High frame rate is more important to the perception of you-are-there realism than the quality of the textures or models themselves.

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HA HA fuck you, Roger. And don't vote for Obama.

Pinski

There's a difference between high-enough frame rate, and insanely high frame rate that improves nothing. High-enough frame rate is all you need, insanely high frame rate is because you think it means something when it doesn't.

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Illuminator

The limit of human perception is about 60+ fps. Achieving it is perfectly legit for the expensive hardware we've bought, and most of what I'm reading here isn't even close. 60 is high enough, 15 is not, say whatever you want to the contrary.

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HA HA fuck you, Roger. And don't vote for Obama.

kenman

I can personally notice a huge difference between 30 and 60 fps. 30 is choppy and shitty, especially when spinning around quickly, 60 is smooth as silk. It's pathetic that in all of EQ2 even on the lowest settings there's only been a handful of zones that I could consistently get 60 fps in, and that's in-door instanced DoF zones like PP which oddly enough, even ran great on everything maxed.

What's even more pathetic is the amount of tweaking I had to do to even get around 30 fps in raids, because I was hovering around 15-20 with 3gb ram, x1800 xt, and an fx-55. The UI was a huge bottleneck, specifically the retarded ass text shadowing. I had to go through every fucking XML and remove all the shadowing, and that alone jumped me up roughly 10 fps. Quite frankly, I liked the look without the shadowing even better too. And I can't forget font smoothing, there's 3-5 fps right there! But there were still some stupid issues, targetting large groups of mobs dropped my FPS in half, disabling the animated targetting rings remedied that slightly but not completely. I'm assuming the text shadowing around floating NPC names was a huge performance drop as well, but I have no idea how to disable that.

But even with the UI completely disabled this game runs like absolute shit. It's incredibly obvious there was minimal, if any, optimization done whatsoever. Fucking Crysis shouldn't run and look three times better than EQ2. Afterall, EQ2 was built for the future, right? Or is that just the bizarro world future where the only thing that happened was faster processors, not multi-core? GG.

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Last Time Played: November 18, 2007

Woot!

Pinski

There's a huge difference in average 30fps vs. average 60fps. It's because the minimum on a 30fps average is less than 30. If you had a constant 30fps(that means it never goes below or above 30), you wouldn't notice a difference between that and an average 60fps(assuming that you never drop below 30, if you drop below 30, then the 30fps constant wins, period).

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Ultimar

Quoting myself cause it was several pages back and a few people had questions...

Processor is overclocked, air cooled with Zalman 7700CU max about 55C

I run balanced with a minimal UI I get about 25-40fps in raids.

I turn off flora/fauna and set particle effects to minimal if I have problems.

Outside raids I can run extreme 20-30fps(which I am happy with) except I get the memory exceded error...

AAx4 and AFx4 I would run but it seems to make the memory exceded error more frequent. Did not seem to have a huge impact on frame rates, probably since it is handled by the underutilized video card.

They really need to overhaul the engine. Let the UI run on a second core. and put the shadows and particle effects on the GPU. We'd all be playing extreme quality then...

Comalv

the only difference u see is the smoothness of rotating the visual by a degree higher than say 70-80 degrees, if u're facing the floor (camera right above your head) u see no difference in spinning the camera at all.

So either my 20 FPS are fake and i'm getting more, or i need more performing eyes, or u think u can see what u can't indeed.

Once again, 67 FPS (which afaik is as much as a human being can feel, but i don't remember where i got this info), is really needed on an FPS where u have to be accurate and where your camera is actually spinning lots (unles u're a fucking camper :D), and fluid movements are really appreaciable (is this even a word?)

For a MMORPG, PvE, and iirc u even are a wizard, so u still stand, assisting the MA or targeting manually without the real need of moving your camera at all, sorry but i don't see how u could feel the difference. Maybe particles and effects render slightly smoothly, but then again u said u appreciate more having higher FPS than actually playing on high details, which is non-sense to me.

I'd take them both if i could, but since i can't because i don't want to spend $3000 to get 60FPS on a game where neither they are appreciable (to me) nor they serve any functional purpose, i'd take the full graphical settings with minimum-to-none stuttering any day of the week.

Also on Star Wars Galaxies, Client FPS were HARD capped at 30. Noone ever said the game lacked fluidity because of that, animations were flawless (pre-NGE, after that characters started moving like Roadrunner), and noone ever whined about removing the cap (well i bet someone did because they were performance geeks, but it was never removed because there was simply no need to)

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Illuminator

I feel the difference. That is all.

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HA HA fuck you, Roger. And don't vote for Obama.