Originally Posted by Searril

And there are huge loads of high powered items that come from raiding. It looks balanced to anyone who doesn't have the slightest idea about game mechanics, item progression, and who has an inability to understand the risk/time invested VS. reward equation.

Originally Posted by Alesis

No all of us hang out with a bunch of other dudes WHO WE NEVER MET IN REAL LIFE, and raid content THAT DOESNT REALLY EXIST, in a DIGITAL WORLD thats NOT REAL, WITH FAKE CARTOON AVATARS THAT WE DONT OWN, and think it makes us better than others IN REAL LIFE.

Originally Posted by Alesis

Im here for you muffin, Im here for you.

Heres a little life lesson for you too: Dont get upset and fly into an internetz rage whenever someone mentions the fact that they do other shit besides EQ2 all week long. Not all of us aspire to be pro level gamers in a game you cant be pro at. No all of us hang out with a bunch of other dudes WHO WE NEVER MET IN REAL LIFE, and raid content THAT DOESNT REALLY EXIST, in a DIGITAL WORLD thats NOT REAL, WITH FAKE CARTOON AVATARS THAT WE DONT OWN, and think it makes us better than others IN REAL LIFE. Some people remember its just a VIDEO GAME, and want to have casual fun at it without investing/revolving our entire lives around it. Some of us just want a few cool items to sport without the enormous time investment that it takes to be a "pro level" (lol) raider in EQ2. You still got your precious Trakanon, and you still get to wear loots noone else does. You still get to go afk in EFP in attack mode, and pretend like you just "accidently" left your character logged in, in attack mode, while you were shopping on the broker, while alt+tabbing to other web sites.

I know when you hear things like, concert, out dinner and going outside it makes your vagina nut up like a butthole during a first time penetration, but some people who dont live for EQ2 do that sort of thing when they dont have some 21 year old kid on the other side of the country screaming at us over vent cause we have not maintained our 80% raid attendance requirements. "OMFG asshole, EQ2 more! Dont you want to be the best at this?"

Frankly no.

Its the equivalant of being the best at watching TV, or reading novels. Its entertainment, and Im sorry if your idea of entertainment is stroking your e-cock and feeling better than others. Most of us dont have to bother with getting our cocks off over a video game though, we have real endeavours to work on, and do this 1-2 nights a week like it was supposed to be done: Like a D&D session with a built in calculator, nothing more.

Do you realize how it all even sounds? Would you dare have this argument on Saturday night at the bar while talking with the 3 people you just met? Fuck no, they would think your insane, and for the rest of your evening youd get sideways stares, and mumbles, because you where obviously "that dude" at the club. (Oops, another blatent reference to the outside world, I know how that upsets you muffin, but do try to follow along, theres a point at the end.)

This is something 98% of the paying subscriber base do for recreation, not like its a full time job that quantifies thier existance and proves to the world that they can be good at something. YOU are the 2% minority, the super hardcore raider, Mr. I Cleared VP and all I got was this digital T-Shirt. When you QQ about people who cant kill VS clearing 3 trash mobs at the zone in of a raid zone you feel like you should "own" exclusivly, you come off like a fucking child. This game DOESNT MEAN SHIT TO ANYONE OUTSIDE OF EQ2s message boards. Noone knows what it even is, let alone how important and life encompassing youve discovered it to be.

Try this for me: This Friday night, go down to your closest bar, buy some random bar whore a round of drinks, and then say " So um, I got a lvl 80 XXXXXXX, and we WW1st shit nightly!" So how much ass that gets you. When they stare back at you blankly, and sort of confused, maybe then youll understand this VIDEO GAMEs place in life, and why people who dont live to play it like a junkie waiting for thier next e-fix dont care if your a ll butt heart cause the tag on thier item says fabled, and you dont feel like they deserve it, or the fact that your precious progression doesnt feel meaningfull.

Youll understand why most of us are just like "Hey there goes one of them uber raider dudes, what a douchebag."

Originally Posted by Lindar Phamoncry

... go look at the Dirge loot thread and tell me that progression is just fine. This isnt just the hardcore raider thats getting screwed here. You think that its healthy for the game that so many items on that list are Heroic content?
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Originally Posted by Wookin

The dirge section is IMHO the best class section on flames -- fantastic infoz there. And Kall's loot thread is like a Bible for me and I have various iterations of it printed out for reference.

17% of that list is non-raid, and there's just like 4 out of over 100 items which are SOH trash drops. That seems pretty balanced.

But I'm a pretty casual dirge who likes shiny loot.

Originally Posted by Soulforged

from the dirge loot thread. the *top* items for the slots, there shouldn't be any non-raid items on that list.

Originally Posted by Wookin

The top two items for every slot but boots and epic are raid only.

I disagree that the best 107 items for a dirge should all be raid only, but that's just me.

Originally Posted by Wookin

The dirge section is IMHO the best class section on flames -- fantastic infoz there. And Kall's loot thread is like a Bible for me and I have various iterations of it printed out for reference.

17% of that list is non-raid, and there's just like 4 out of over 100 items which are SOH trash drops. That seems pretty balanced.

But I'm a pretty casual dirge who likes shiny loot.

Originally Posted by Soulforged

Face it, the whole "this is a game, and not work" argument is just fukcing bullshit.

WORK IS IN EVERY FUCKING ASPECT OF LIFE. GET OVER IT.