Does everyone really hate it? - Page 7

Ariste · 04-17-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravanos

it has everything to do with the issue, why do you give two shits what joe noobcake and his guild are doing and what they are getting for it. the reason for you to Kill trak should not be "omg lootz" but "holy fuck we just beat the hardest mob in the game". I mean dont get me wrong rewards are nice as well but to me those are just bonus.

I wish i could find a guild more like myself, i hate using strats that are off forums like this one, half the fun is figuring out the fight. I loved when my guild went into shard of hate the first day, i was in my glory working with others in my guild to figure out the fights

thats what the game should be about not this greedy "omg phat lootz" bullshit we have now.

Okay fine.

I want you to start a business. Work really hard at it. Build it up. Gain market share. Work your ass off some more. Become a major player. Hell, become the most successful company in the world.

But I don't want to pay you for it. In fact, I want to pay the guy who pumps your gas just as much as you get. The knowledge that you became a powerhouse in the world is enough, isn't it?

Isn't it?

Illuminator · 04-17-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Obsidian

lol on that logic you and the care bear club want to suck it for free

Actually dipshit, the care bear club would bitch until a young blonde chick were put in his place. You would suck the cock, get sore throats, and then complain about the money.

T-Assassin · 04-17-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ariste

Okay fine.

I want you to start a business. Work really hard at it. Build it up. Gain market share. Work your ass off some more. Become a major player. Hell, become the most successful company in the world.

But I don't want to pay you for it. In fact, I want to pay the guy who pumps your gas just as much as you get. The knowledge that you became a powerhouse in the world is enough, isn't it?

Isn't it?

a bit extreme :P, but not a bad analogy.

but, the guy who pumps the gas DOES deserve a little something now and then i believe, so he doesn't up and quit....or come to work w/ a Winchester .308.

Ariste · 04-17-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Then you have to ask yourself: Do you like raiding? Or do you just like items?

If the latter, then ask yourself this: Would you suck an elderly man's dick for $1000?

So people here want compensation for things that, from what they're saying, they evidently don't like doing. Do these players want everyone to be miserable and remain miserable just so they can be the few to have more "stuff" to hoard?

This shit really gets to me.

Maybe all raiders torture themselves every day by playing (and paying for) a game that they hate. And maybe we want "everyone to be miserable and remain miserable."

Or maybe we really enjoy it. And maybe the virtual rewards we get for the very real effort we commit to the game are the reason we play. And yes, I realize that the greatest item in the game is worthless in reality. But the game isn't reality, is it? And in the game, these are the symbols of our commitment and our achievement. So yes, they are important, and no, if you don't put in the same effort I do, you shouldn't get the same rewards.

Ariste · 04-17-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Assassin

a bit extreme :P, but not a bad analogy.

but, the guy who pumps the gas DOES deserve a little something now and then i believe, so he doesn't up and quit....or come to work w/ a Winchester .308.

Sure. And in RoK, the metaphorical gas pumper has been given more than his fair share. Consider:

Praetor's Guard, Jarsath Robe, Ganak's Torque, Burdened Signet, Gift to the Queen, Farseer's Armguard, Epics.

And that's just some of it.

Every single one of these things is attainable quite easily to the casual gamer. Nearly every single one of these is better than some, if not most, raid gear. In fact, some of them, like the Praetor's Guard, are very nearly the best items in the entire game for their respective slots.

The gas man gets his fair share, and everyone is happy.

T-Assassin · 04-17-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ariste

This shit really gets to me.

Maybe all raiders torture themselves every day by playing (and paying for) a game that they hate. And maybe we want "everyone to be miserable and remain miserable."

Or maybe we really enjoy it. And maybe the virtual rewards we get for the very real effort we commit to the game are the reason we play. And yes, I realize that the greatest item in the game is worthless in reality. But the game isn't reality, is it? And in the game, these are the symbols of our commitment and our achievement. So yes, they are important, and no, if you don't put in the same effort I do, you shouldn't get the same rewards.

tough to argue that.

effort and time should be rewarded. but "everyone to be miserable and reamin miserable" is shitty.

i think there is much more SOE could do to make the HC crowd happy, but wish and one hand, and shit in the other...see which one fills up first.

it's hard to make everyone happy, but i see each sides point of view.

if i were a HC raider, i know i'd sure like gratifying rewards. also, as a casual, it is pretty nice to just get a taste of some high end shit every once in awhile.

T-Assassin · 04-17-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ariste

Sure. And in RoK, the metaphorical gas pumper has been given more than his fair share. Consider:

Praetor's Guard, Jarsath Robe, Ganak's Torque, Burdened Signet, Gift to the Queen, Farseer's Armguard, Epics.

Every single one of these things is attainable quite easily to the casual gamer. Nearly every single one of these is better than some, if not most, raid gear. In fact, some of them, like the Praetor's Guard, are very nearly the best items in the entire game for their respective slots.

The gas man gets his fair share, and everyone is happy.

yeah, i agree. and i do believe the raiders deserve a step up from that gear.

SOE just needs to get their heads outta there asses.

Ariste · 04-17-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Assassin

tough to argue that.

effort and time should be rewarded. but "everyone to be miserable and reamin miserable" is shitty.

i think there is much more SOE could do to make the HC crowd happy, but wish and one hand, and shit in the other...see which one fills up first.

it's hard to make everyone happy, but i see each sides point of view.

if i were a HC raider, i know i'd sure like gratifying rewards. also, as a casual, it is pretty nice to just get a taste of some high end shit every once in awhile.

You misread.

My post was sarcastic. Raiders don't want everyone else to be miserable. We want everybody to get his/her fair share, which should be commensurate with the effort he/she commits.

As of right now, if there's an imbalance, it's casuals who are getting more than they deserve, not raiders.

Uyaem · 04-17-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

So people here want compensation for things that, from what they're saying, they evidently don't like doing.

Fundamentally flawed assumption.
If you like working in the sewer but don't get good money for it, you're maybe wondering why you're not doing the easier job in a comfy office with air conditioning.

Tristen · 04-17-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ariste

You misread.

My post was sarcastic. Raiders don't want everyone else to be miserable. We want everybody to get his/her fair share, which should be commensurate with the effort he/she commits.

As of right now, if there's an imbalance, it's casuals who are getting more than they deserve, not raiders.

Casuals deserve the whole game in an essance for raiders/ hard core one in perticular make up what 5% of a population of the game???

Its stupid marketing to do something just for them, that 5% is imporant but in the end the 95% casual gamers pay there bills. If they dont do things for them first you wouldnt have a game for the rest of the 5% as it doesnt pay there bills....

When RoK came out it was good for the casual gamer... now they are working on fixing the rest 5% for the harcore raiders...and dont tell me they arent trying...VP loot changes, contested Raid mobs. While it may not be the best or what you want all the time its still something...isnt it?