Arzoth

The poster directly before you nailed one of the biggest problems EQ2 has on it's hands. There isn't so much a shortage of people who play EQ2 anymore, it's now becoming an issue of finding the least retarded people around.

Guilds like Confirmed just make this fact all the more evident. If you can't find 26-30 people on your server of 3-5000 who are competent, hard working and good players that have pseudo likable personalities... there's something fucking wrong.

WoW is full of fucking 9 year olds or smack tards who would rather waste the day debating Chuck Norris facts in The Barrens than level characters. I'd say on any given day there is likely no more than 5-10% of the playing population who isn't one of these "too young to be playing this game" or "Fuck you motherfucker, L2P your class!!1!" The reason the game is doing so well is because there are elements to WoW that are fun, namely PVP, and simply *astonishing* numbers of people who play the game 1-3 days out of the week and keep their subscription active without hardly playing their game.

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Reality

I don't think the game is ruined at all actually. My suspision is that the next expansion will NOT raise the level cap, but rather give us a ton of AA's and more content accross the board -- which would be great.

Outside of WoW (which, frankly, a step above Hello Kitty Island) there aren't too many mature MMO's out there. LotR, soon to be AoC and WAR -- but lets face it -- we have been psyched about games like that in the past (*cough* Vangaurd *cough*) and they turned out to be so so. CoH is just Lineage 3 with a million Asian player base from Korea (no disrespect to Koreans) which coincidently is the same palyer base that makes up WoW!

So, I guess everyone that bitches and moans all the time should just take a chill pill and relax -- the game isn't that bad. And yes -- I have seen almost all the content there is to be seen. SoE jsut needs to get off thier hard on over "balancing" the game and do it old school. How hard can it be, they have an MMO that is freaking 9 years old as a road map that they are STILL making expansions for....

In EQ, you were a Warrior because you wanted to be one, or a conj or whatever. There was none of this "oh, well my assassin's DPS is 10 points lower than my buddies necro, so now I am going to cry like a B until they change it." Or "coerces should be able to charm Heroics for 15 mintues cause its not fair and they solo too easy." Guess what -- that is a one way ticket to "this game is fucked" land. Once they spend all their time trying to make the whiners happy with "class balance" -- all the classes get a look at and the content goes to hell.

And as to the "it's not fair" arguement -- welcome to the real world! Life isn't fair. But you make of it what you want.

Cuz

EQ2 isn't that bad. It's just very vanila.

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Sharpteath

Yeah, i agree for the most part..In eq1 if you didn't like your class you rerolled. You didn't cry until you got your way. Unfortunately with all the good they did with eq2 (it is better honestly) they added "appease the pussies" to the script I guess.

Reality

Exactly my point Sharp. There are some pretty God awful games out there right now -- and I have played them all. I will say that WoW is fun on the PvP side of things, but overall it's just a big freakin quest grind.

I do agree on some of the points made here, but they need to be done in a more organized fashion -- with less bitching and whining or they will just laugh and delete. As for the HC raiders -- sorry, but you are probably the last on the list of things to do since you make up 5% of the total player demographic.

Sucks, I know, but SoE is in the business of making money still, and gearing a game around 5% of the total subscription base ain't going to happen.

So, my campaign slogan for '08 --

More Content -- Fuck Balanced Play!

Stop worrying about the classes. Fix the ones you have screwed up and leave 'em be. People like to be different -- not this Communist/Fascist "WE" mentality to force everyone to be the same on some B.S. algorithm you are plugging the classes into according to your SoE play book. Set yourself free SoE! You have the power -- and ONLY you!!!

icKx

Yeah, that'll improve this game alright~.

Fuck fixing what's broken just continue to pump out more shit. Oh wait, they tried that.

Daractoom

Wow thats the biggest pile of Fanboi crap ive read.

Try playing a class from release which you put years of work into, only to have SoE fuck our abilities/use over with constant nerfs, so when we reached EoF we were not much more than mana batteries. Then came RoK and its power proc on every item for every class loot table making my toon virtually pointless.

So im supposed to reroll and grind through the total snooze fest leveling has become so i can actually play the game? I mean anyone who's actually played a single character for 3 years will understand its not as simple as rerolling, all the events you took part in, unique items you gained not to mention the fact you probably really enjoyed playing your class untill total retardation from SoE destroyed that.

Yes lets all forgive SoE for ruining the biggest licence from the 1st Generation of mmorpg's. They had the biggest fanbase and chance of success with a 2nd generation mmorpg and they might just might be in the top10? probably beaten by japanese mmorpgs only released in japan. Also lets not forget SoE also got hold of the biggest licence for the second generation of these games, StarWars and look what happened there, they ignored their player base and nerfed the hell out of the original vision to save money and they killed it, forgive me if i feel a bad case of deja vu.

Dilfx

I disagree. To #3, every class has been overhauled to hell and back to reduce their effectiveness, but warlocks haven't been touched because a dev plays a lock.

#5- Who was the fucking genious who opened up Black Temple to anyone (no flagging required) just so people can gear up for the next expansion? Is that thought process more leet than Sony's ideas? Let's open up VP and give those already with access a stupid fucking title to show they were in VP prior to changes like Blizzard did! Wow Blizzard is awesome!!

#6- Was Black Temple up and running bug-free upon release? No, it wasn't. In fact, Blizzards seems to act like the devs in EQ1.. Make a zone so damn impossible (like Serpenshrine Caverns, initially) to beat because the next tier of raiding isn't finished yet. PoTime, anyone?

I don't really think you've played WoW, because all you would hear is crying about how bad Blizzard sucks in the channels. But it seems like a ton of swearing convinces people otherwise.

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Pinski

#3: Wtf, warlocks were #1 DPS in every possible method before LU13, now they aren't, so STFU.

#5: Hey retard, they're doing just that basically.

#6: BT wasn't even in TBC upon release, and it was added later and was just fine when it was released and it was beaten within 2 weeks, so stfu.

I don't think you've played WoW either, I know I haven't, but I also know my facts are facts, while yours aren't.

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Dilfx

Pinski, before you spew your bullshit, read what I quoted off that guy. LU13? Wrong game, dumb shit. I was talking about warlocks in WoW. But you are so fucking smart, you must have known that, right? BT was missing upon release, thank you for confirming that for me. Beaten within 2 weeks? No. And holy shit, you called me a retard, #5 must be true because you said so. Sony is "basically" doing that. Get your facts straight, "retard."

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