Trumak

I think it's pretty retarded that a new player or alt can't get all their masters from current tier content. Even if the spell doesn't get improved you should never have to farm the broker for a year on the off chance one is listed and pay a shit ton for it. And I am guilty of it. I have resold savante, reinforcement, ED, tsunami, percussion of stone, AR, ToS, double up, all for 75p+. Even though I have profited from it, it is still lame as fuck.

Edit: It becomes even worse with each lvl increase. At least at 70 we could do poets now you either have to level lock an alt or mentor which is just fucked.

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curuw

noone lvls twinks here atm... my chances to get tsunami mastered are 0.

Judist

Flaming Homo

I think the very idea that spells and CAs have grades is pretty fucked up. I'm convinced that this was introduced to the game not for the sake of giving everyone another carot on a stick to chase after but was done so they could add more crafting professions.

As far as I'm concerned we don't need the App/Adept1/Adept3/M1/M2 bullshit. It's not like encounters are really balanced against spell/CA grade anyway.

Tesar

It's extremely retarded you can't get all your current spells from the current content. The level number on the spell shouldn't matter, if it doesn't have an upgrade then technically it's a current tier spell, so then it should drop off current tier content.

I don't have anything against having to farm for them...that's part of the game, it's the farming content 30 levels below me that's gayer than Faabio.

Dants

Your theory holds some weight, because for a long time, the only think sages could make were spells.

But anyway, the odds of actually mentoring a noob and getting that rare master you need are so against you, it's ridiculous.

Throwing some numbers out there:

Assume target spell is lvl 52.

24 classes, approx 2.5 spells per level at 52 = 60 total spells.

Odds of getting a master from a named that can drop 52 masters = 1/5
Lets assume the named can drop 51-54 masters = 1/4

These are all approximations, but you're looking at approx chance of getting your desired master at:

1/(60 * 5 * 4) = 1/1200 or a .08% chance per named kill.

The named I had in mind when doing this was the Thexian named in SE corner of Lfay which I have gotten a 52 AT master from before when leveling.

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Rhymez

I have 6 brigand masters so far and farming that crap since launch 3 months ago i gave up on it
i looted one myself, thieves guild got two by guildies and bought the other 3
but there its not like the broker is flooded with brigand masters since launch
thers always the same bs on the broker and its always the crap ones like snares taunt and thieves guild etc

and the non upgraded stzuff getting it truely sucks for myself i dont have the energey nor the will to to get an alt into the level range and lock him there to get the fucking t6 master
bad concept by all means

mandark1967

I farmed Vampirism in Skyfire off a trash mob...

wasnt an option though so I didnt vote

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Odii

If they don't want to upgrade certain spells, fine... i have no issue with that.

At least give us a new spell with the EXACT same effect, just the level of the spell.

Make it current tier so it can be attained.

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Chiksar

I'm sure this is not a popular opinion, but...

Some of us have been working on our toons for a long long time, back when lvl cap was 60 etc. We raided/farmed the then current content HARD to get the masters we needed at that time. we did not blow through level 1-20 in 2 days, it took almost 2 months before most could get through the class quests. having more masters than all but one fury worldwide IMHO is my reward for long time dedication to the game and to this toon. It would piss me off if a twink leveled to 80 in one month could have everything I spent 350 player days getting.

So, Having all the non upgraded spells is a reward for invested time and long time dedication. If you just got to the party, and you are troubled you can't buy/farm the ultimate spells in your 4-6 months played, whine somewhere else.