Classes that try too hard to be something else - Page 3

Ethor · 01-22-2007, 03:59 PM

Well.. I tank fine.. I don't know about other shadowknights.

Raid setup is normally only with a guardian, paladin, and shadowknight and we have the ability to clear freethinkers, clockwork menace, mistmoore castle: IS *excluding mayong*, Emerald Halls.

Sometimes it's only me and the guardian. I don't know about other servers but crusaders are used in raids to normally offtank higher tier raid zones or contested and we do just fine.

I agree that a good level of dps and tankage is an awesome combination. I have no regrets so far into spec'ing halfway for dps. What I was trying to say in my post was to say that shadowknights should try to manipulate both sides of the fence (tanking and dpsing). Most shadowknights are spec'd out for dps and only have 3.9k mitigation self buffed which is atrocious.

The basic point is at how well you manipulate your character and in raid guilds sometimes I think a spec'd Shadowknight for tanking would be more worth it thank a spec'd Shadowknight for dps (since there is not a lack of dps in a raid guild considering there's a close batch of people and the classes are selected for a raid for optimal raid dps.

Maybe I'm afraid of being a Shadowknight gimpified? I just don't like being one shotted on raids because I spec'd out full dps at the price of sacrificing mitigation and some health (in some situations).

Just my thoughts,
Feel free to disagree/agree however necessary..I'm very opinionated

Grevious · 01-22-2007, 04:14 PM

What AA paths are you down then. Need some info on SKs to try to get him up more on the dps I out dpsed him being the MT guardian the whole night. Also what is the best group build for SKs to dps and to be a off tank. Any info here would help me out alot just I have no clue why he is so low at times on the parses.

On another note we have our Paladin Off tank every raid and he is awesome at it I think he is speced totally to tank though. Works well though our brigand is his amends target either assassin or swashy to dump and the coercers hate makes him yank aggro off me alot on trash groups which I love as it helps keep the aggro from the squishies.

Ethor · 01-22-2007, 04:27 PM

I went down the hate line:
5 points into nefarious caress
3 points into the sacrilege (group encounter taunt) addition
3 points into the rescue advance
5 points into venemous slam upgrade
1 point into siphon hate

I went down the reaver line:
5 points into the twisted aura upgrade for proc rate
5 points into the putrid coil upgrade
5 points into the tap veins upgrade
5 points into the pestilent touch upgrade
5 points into grave blessing
1 point into reaver

For my offtank group I am normally put in a group with:
Inquisitor/Templar (Inquisitor for Fanaticism which is a small Death March basically and Templar sometimes for stoneskin and the health buff with attack rate increase).
Troubadour (increases shadowknight's spell damage)
Fury (has a good balance between healing, dps, and buffs *can buff shadowknights int and dps rate with a proc*)
Assassin (we have 2 assassins in our raids most of the time that parse fairly high so hate transfer is pretty nice for offtanking situations)
Defiler (defiler over mystic because defiler has more offensive abilities for dps)
Some Random class (no other class is really needed for this spot..we normally just place a ranger or a caster in this spot since there's no value to it).

For KoS AA's I would recommend:
Strength and Intelligence line:
Str:
4/4/4/8/1
Int:
4/4/8 (8 for 68% spell crit chance)

If he wants he can dump the last points into intelligence or into the Stamina button if his health is looking sort of low (which is what I did).

Grevious · 01-22-2007, 04:37 PM

Well we have one troub and usually is with a caster how would a dirge or coercer work in that spot the coercer would increase int for you and the massive dps buff?

Ryklis · 01-22-2007, 04:39 PM

no matter how you spec, its the player that will make the difference, so maybe your SK isnt very good grevious

Ethor · 01-22-2007, 04:40 PM

I think a coercer would work well in the group. I would suggest not placing the hate gain buff on the shadowknight though if your main tank is pretty good at holding aggro and not dying. I didn't think of the coercers dps buff at first but it seems like it would be a logical group setup.

And that's true..it's the player behind the character that makes the Shadowknight what it is.

Grevious · 01-22-2007, 04:48 PM

Very true but we havnt had a Sk in forever and I really have no clue how best to set them up. The hate gain I dont mind so long the offtank can take the hits on trash and his healers are ready. Like I said we do that with our Paladin I am the Guardian MT and hold really good aggro. The pally will take it from me but I want that so then I target through the encounter and keep the other mobs taunted well and off the mages. Thanks for the info though will try it out and see.

Aelojia · 01-23-2007, 12:14 AM

I really have no problem with people like this, as long as they do their primary function.

Honestly, I can empathize, because this game is so easy that doing nothing but healing and debuffing (speaking from experience) gets incredibly boring after a while.

I went through a DPS phase myself, but I got it out of my system.
Of course, I didn't let people die in the process, which would tick me off if I were a fighter or w/e.

Illuminator · 01-23-2007, 06:50 AM

I'm running my coercer hardcore on the Tashiana and Manaward AA's, and heavy on the STA/WIS lines. Couldn't give two shits about the dps AAs or stocking up on mez-breaking damage proc items, because dps ain't why I rolled a coercer.

If your class is vital to an encounter for 2 minutes and not much use the other 200 minutes, you better perform fucking flawlessly for those 2 minutes.

drychnath · 01-23-2007, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grevious

What AA paths are you down then. Need some info on SKs to try to get him up more on the dps I out dpsed him being the MT guardian the whole night. Also what is the best group build for SKs to dps and to be a off tank. Any info here would help me out alot just I have no clue why he is so low at times on the parses.

On another note we have our Paladin Off tank every raid and he is awesome at it I think he is speced totally to tank though. Works well though our brigand is his amends target either assassin or swashy to dump and the coercers hate makes him yank aggro off me alot on trash groups which I love as it helps keep the aggro from the squishies.

You're goign to get out parsed by the MT because he's been buffed a great deal to add to his damage, and damage=hate. I've been working more on the avoidance problem, took agility on the KoS line to get the other +13 Defence.

We can be fed aggro, just like the guard who MT's is fed aggro, and with reaver and other assorted lifetaps, we're able to refill our own health pool over a 2 min fight.

Honestly, though, DPS is for classes that do DPS. your measly 700-1200 barely compares to a warlock's 3000 You could save that warlock's butt when he overaggros... but not in offensive with a 2 hander. I tried. kept getting eaten.