Arzoth

You have to take into account what these people are doing Xanzia... For you, because you're probably not grouped with the 'plat farmer' or in the same zone as them or even online when they are online... Their 'adventures' in EQ2 are just guild events to you.

For other people, however, who spend hours and hours camping named in PoA, or whatever zone (I mention PoA because I tend to see them more often), for the Claymore and other quests... only to be trained, killed, and watch in horror as the name they've been waiting on for 8 hours is killed by Opehaj and Oofumia.

While I'm sure you've had your run ins with a 'plat farmer' or even just a named ganking son of a bitch, you certainly must understand that when they're part of YOUR guild... a representation of YOUR values... people tend to get pissed at not only the plat farmer, but you too... simply by association. I haven't been on your server long, but plat farmers are a big problem on all servers.

Keeping them out of your guild is definately a good stance for any guild. Maintaining friendly relationships with asian or european markets is not your job, making sure the values which your guild repesents doesn't get dragged through the mud, is.

Otis

I think the terms being confused here are "botters" and "plat farmers".

IMO the largest population of botters in EQ2 is in the crafting community, and is usually who I think of when I hear the word "bot".

I know plat farmers bot also, but in their case I think it's the lesser of the two evils and is usually not the activity that draws such ire from the community.

LFG

Hahahahahha. Just very funny the way you stated it lol.

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Otis

It's late/early. Going back to bed now

Petgroup

This thread reminded me of:

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-05.htm


Build a bridge out of her.

Throw her into the pond!

Illuminator

Xanzia, your politeness is completely ignored by the plat pharmer/sellers (PP/S), and they will make their money regardless of whether you bestow on them a guild tag or not. They just shrug you off and enjoy the cover provided by your guild tag while you sort through your self-imposed red tape.

And I don't run a guild because (a) I hate dealing with administration, (b) I have more to learn about other classes before taking 24 players into an instance and wasting their time, and (c) I don't feel there are enough competent players to draw from to compete on contested content. *Not* because I am "ruder than you" or quicker and more effective at dismissing retards.

Good guild leaders know not to guild the PP/S's in the first place.

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Kyrsten

While this is true, they can still slip in sometimes in a casual guild environment. It's happened in my own guild. What matters then is taking prompt decisive action when you find one who HAS slipped in, instead of dicking around and asking them politely to stop. Seriously Xanzia, do you really think the threat of being guildless in 7 days even phases these people?

The "appropriate treatment" is a detailed /petition.

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Kyrsten

double post ftl

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Ariven

So, you dont require that they dont break the EULA and TOS of the game?

So, according to you... all botters are asian? Sounds a bit racist to me.

No Xanzia, every guild does NOT have botters.. and by botter I mean someone who uses scripts or other third party tools to automate the character.. is that what you mean by botter? if not, please use more appropriate terminology. Botter for people using scripts, farmer for someone who farms for gold.. Profesional farmer for someone who farms for gold that gets sold (in violation of EULA and TOS)

At what point in your path to great guild leader enlightenment did you lose track of the simple statement "you are judged by the company that you keep"? If you have people in your guild who bot, professionally farm gold, or are asshats in general, then YOUR GUILD will become known for it. EVERYONE in the guild will be painted with the same brush.

Is it right? no. Does it happen? Hell yes. If you value your reputation then you must take swift action whenever something like this crops up, and only in that way can you become known as "the guild that doesnt allow"... any delay and your reputation will get known.. get spread and never go away, even when you come to third party sites and try to justify your actions..

Again with the "country of origin" crap. If someone breaks the rules it doesnt matter where they are from, they need to be dealt with.

An ad hominum attack doesnt change the fact that now your guild reputation is tainted.. likely for a long time. Next time why don't you try less high horse and more "deal with problem"

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50 DKP minus for using "ad hominem" on these forums.