New Shader Model 3.0 for eq2 :) - Page 5

Diknak · 06-25-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

You don't have a moden machine then because right now you can run this game on raids on extreme quality with shadows on and still have ~30+fps. A modern machine is not your 3 year old computer.

It depends. Are you facing the mob when fighting? lol

If you are saying that you are facing the mob with all 24 people in view and on extreme quality with shadows, getting 30+ fps, then I call bullshit on that. Unless your computer cost $10k.

You know what comes next: fraps or it didn't happen.

gungo · 06-25-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Diknak

It depends. Are you facing the mob when fighting? lol

If you are saying that you are facing the mob with all 24 people in view and on extreme quality with shadows, getting 30+ fps, then I call bullshit on that. Unless your computer cost $10k.

You know what comes next: fraps or it didn't happen.

Cry all you want but its completely true. Just because your still running on a dell you bought 3 years ago doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Although I do not raid with partical effects on because they annoy me. And you do not need a 10k system because frankly you wont gain much out of that and a good 3k system. So you can call bullshit all you want and claim outragious price tags but its obvious you have no fucking idea what your talking about. Get a good I7 chipset, a decent motherboard, a high end graphics card, and some quality memory. Slightly overclock the core speed with a good aftermarket heatsink. And you can put your computer on extreme quality without ever needing to touch the settings.

The fact is you are probably running on a doucore or quad core chipset that was released in 2007. With an 8000 or 9000 series geforce card released in late 2006 to early 2008. I am sorry but a 2-3 year old machine is not modern.

Grithan · 06-25-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

The fact is you are probably running on a doucore or quad core chipset that was released in 2007. With an 8000 or 9000 series geforce card released in late 2006 to early 2008. I am sorry but a 2-3 year old machine is not modern.

Ah how cute. People still wack off over PC specs and gaming rigs. Newsflash: PC is a shit platform for gaming and is getting worse with every year.

The most popular games released these days are designed to run well on hardware that will be three years old by the time they ship. Which one of the top 10 games in 2008 required "modern" hardware to run at decent settings?

Nielsen reveals top 10 PC games played in 2008

The EQ2 engine is crap. It's been crap since its release in 2004. For a game released in 2004 you should be able to march into Best Buy and pick up a random $600 system with a real video card and play it on high settings.

The fact you are talking about overclocking to play this _2004_ game is fucking sad.

gungo · 06-25-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Grithan

Ah how cute. People still wack off over PC specs and gaming rigs. Newsflash: PC is a shit platform for gaming and is getting worse with every year.

The most popular games released these days are designed to run well on hardware that will be three years old by the time they ship. Which one of the top 10 games in 2008 required "modern" hardware to run at decent settings?

Nielsen reveals top 10 PC games played in 2008

The EQ2 engine is crap. It's been crap since its release in 2004. For a game released in 2004 you should be able to march into Best Buy and pick up a random $600 system with a real video card and play it on high settings.

The fact you are talking about overclocking to play this _2004_ game is fucking sad.

That has nothing to do with the original argument you moron. The argument is that TODAY's modern system can run eq2 just fine. I don't give a shit about a computer specs from 2004-2007 running eq2. The fact is RIGHT now you can buy a system to take full advantage of the game. Hence when they said the game was made in high detail to take advantage of future technology is correct. And I think in that regards having an MMO that still is one of the most detailed graphical games after almost 5 years is pretty fucking impressive. There is maybe 2 other MMO's currently out that even remotely compete to the quality of eq2 graphics. They are still releasing MMO's that have worse graphic details then eq2 right now. So if i had to raid in high performance for a year then balanced for another 3 years and then after a completely new comp raid in extreme quality thats fine by me. Fuck by the end of 4qtr 2009 there will be a completely new architecture for CPU/graphics.

Btw your list is bulllshit as your top 10 played games by time barely includes any games released in 2008. If you want to compare to other graphically intense game you migh want to look at the normal benchmarking standard games such as crysis/farcry series which actually do require modern computers.

Horangi9999 · 06-25-2009, 10:03 PM

good news, thx soe

Grithan · 06-25-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

The fact is RIGHT now you can buy a system to take full advantage of the game.

According to what you said if you carefully pick your parts for your 2009 computer and "overclock" just a tad you too can have a great system that EQ2 doesn't run like shit on at the high settings. Woot woot! Hell color me impressed.

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Hence when they said the game was made in high detail to take advantage of future technology is correct.

They also publically admitted they didn't know wtf they were doing and picked the WRONG technology. And then and now it was a BULLSHIT justification.

Yeah, let's turn away customers by having major performance issues on current average hardware during the first month of an MMORPG. Brilliant! It's not like the first few months determines the staying power of an MMORPG and the future development budget for that game!

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And I think in that regards having an MMO that still is one of the most detailed graphical games after almost 5 years is pretty fucking impressive.

No it isn't, not by far. Original content hasn't aged worth a damn. I cringe whenever someone submits a screenshot of EQ2 to mmorpg site daily screenshot features. They stick out and look like ass in comparison to games like LOTRO and even WoW's latest expansion.

It's a good thing having the best graphics isn't a requirement for enjoying a game or I'd be so fucked playing this game. WTB new player models anyone?

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There is maybe 2 other MMO's currently out that even remotely compete to the quality of eq2 graphics.

I'm guessing you are talking about AoC and Warhammer. Those games were pretty damn good and were major successes... Oh wait. Between the massive bugs and the fact the hardware requirements drove off people... Yeah.

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Fuck by the end of 4qtr 2009 there will be a completely new architecture for CPU/graphics.

Oh wow, neato. Developers should totally rush out and min/max shit for that future technology. You know, the shit less than 10% will have for the next three years?

Steam Hardware Survey

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Btw your list is bulllshit as your top 10 played games by time barely includes any games released in 2008. If you want to compare to other graphically intense game you migh want to look at the normal benchmarking standard games such as crysis/farcry series which actually do require modern computers.

Yeah, cause people totally buy games based on if they great for benchmarking. And crysis/farcry who what? Is that one of those last year games on XBOX? </hint>

Go look at the Steam survey. It's crystal fucking clear that no one outside of a small group of "hardcore pc games" gives a shit about custom building a new PC every year. This isn't 2004 anymore. If the game can't run on great on an average $600 dollar system when it was released 4+ years ago... Massive fucking fail. Hell. If you can't run a game released today on that $600 best buy system with good quality settings you've just shot yourself in the foot financially.

firamas · 06-25-2009, 10:51 PM

i run at 2560x1600 with max in game settings, max AA/AF, and shadows on

...and my computer didnt cost $10k

...but it is MAGIC

Petgroup · 06-25-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by firamas

i run at 2560x1600 with max in game settings, max AA/AF, and shadows on

...and my computer didnt cost $10k

...but it is MAGIC

And I would bet you that $10k that it would still take you 10 seconds to see those lizard things over near Hurricanis in Tenaberous Tangle.

...but it is MAGIC

gungo · 06-25-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Grithan

According to what you said if you carefully pick your parts for your 2009 computer and "overclock" just a tad you too can have a great system that EQ2 doesn't run like shit on at the high settings. Woot woot! Hell color me impressed.

They also publically admitted they didn't know wtf they were doing and picked the WRONG technology. And then and now it was a BULLSHIT justification.

Yeah, let's turn away customers by having major performance issues on current average hardware during the first month of an MMORPG. Brilliant! It's not like the first few months determines the staying power of an MMORPG and the future development budget for that game!

No it isn't, not by far. Original content hasn't aged worth a damn. I cringe whenever someone submits a screenshot of EQ2 to mmorpg site daily screenshot features. They stick out and look like ass in comparison to games like LOTRO and even WoW's latest expansion.

It's a good thing having the best graphics isn't a requirement for enjoying a game or I'd be so fucked playing this game. WTB new player models anyone?

I'm guessing you are talking about AoC and Warhammer. Those games were pretty damn good and were major successes... Oh wait. Between the massive bugs and the fact the hardware requirements drove off people... Yeah.

Oh wow, neato. Developers should totally rush out and min/max shit for that future technology. You know, the shit less than 10% will have for the next three years?

Steam Hardware Survey

Yeah, cause people totally buy games based on if they great for benchmarking. And crysis/farcry who what? Is that one of those last year games on XBOX? </hint>

Go look at the Steam survey. It's crystal fucking clear that no one outside of a small group of "hardcore pc games" gives a shit about custom building a new PC every year. This isn't 2004 anymore. If the game can't run on great on an average $600 dollar system when it was released 4+ years ago... Massive fucking fail. Hell. If you can't run a game released today on that $600 best buy system with good quality settings you've just shot yourself in the foot financially.

You have said nothing but the same shit over and over and if you think Warhammer had high end graphics you are a moron since it is basically the same requirements as WoW. You have no idea wtf your talking about your bringing up arguments that people are not talking about and then when people discuss arguments you bring up you dismiss it. How the fuck do you put up a PC game list from 2008 and when i bring up a popular (over 2million copies sold) 2008 PC game that requires a modern system you brush it off when it was the fucking topic you brought up. Look if you are to stupid to discuss this topic just say your a moron and stop posting.

Pitty · 06-26-2009, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by gungo

That has nothing to do with the original argument you moron. The argument is that TODAY's modern system can run eq2 just fine. I don't give a shit about a computer specs from 2004-2007 running eq2. The fact is RIGHT now you can buy a system to take full advantage of the game. Hence when they said the game was made in high detail to take advantage of future technology is correct. And I think in that regards having an MMO that still is one of the most detailed graphical games after almost 5 years is pretty fucking impressive. There is maybe 2 other MMO's currently out that even remotely compete to the quality of eq2 graphics. They are still releasing MMO's that have worse graphic details then eq2 right now. So if i had to raid in high performance for a year then balanced for another 3 years and then after a completely new comp raid in extreme quality thats fine by me. Fuck by the end of 4qtr 2009 there will be a completely new architecture for CPU/graphics.

Btw your list is bulllshit as your top 10 played games by time barely includes any games released in 2008. If you want to compare to other graphically intense game you migh want to look at the normal benchmarking standard games such as crysis/farcry series which actually do require modern computers.

yep what gungo said.

The game runs pretty good on i7 and gtx

EQ2 might be still a little unoptimized for newer hardware, but it is still the most complex feature rich engine i have ever seen in a mmo.