firamas

No one here has done any actual testing with this system. This is all conjecture. This is highly speculative "theorycraft", to borrow a WoW term. We don't even have exact equations to pretend we can make spreadsheets out of, we just have some hearsay from devs and a bunch of ranting and raving from a few people.

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Deson

Funny post since you're right here in the mix ranting and raving in support of a system you haven't seen.

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firamas

I find it more realistic, in the absence of specific data, to support a generality than to deny its viability. It's easier for me to say "in general, this idea makes sense as a concept" than to dismiss it outright.

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Deson

And it makes just as much sense to me, having seen versions of it before, hearing it as proposed and most importantly, having seen how this dev culture has dealt with major "game fixing" changes before, to say just leave it alone.

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Pinski

Theorycraft isn't a WoW term you retard. It's a Starcraft term.

And considering you didn't bother looking at the last time they tried this, maybe you should go look at the history, least you be damned to repeat it.

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firamas

It's commonly used in the WoW community as well.. wanna speculate on the etymology behind it, or can you figure it out?

...and since eleventy bajillion people make up the WoW community and 432 diehard Koreans are the remnants of the Starcraft masses, it gets to be a WoW term now!

I'm pretty sure they're going to do it exactly like last time, because they never read any of the user feedback and are just going to barge into this like a bull into a crowded bazaar. OR MAYBE NOT?

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Deson

You never even had to point out where the term came from. You only did it to try and show off and you got called on it.

Maybe not but as initially described, not different enough and again, given the dev team history, it's just safer to assume the worst.

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maccool

No matter what SOE ultimately does about gear down-scaling, there is no doubt about the following progress of events:

1. FF occurs and attendees report back that some form of gear down-scaling is in the works.

2. Crabbok and others believe that current gear is intended to down-scale by as much as 2/3rds, possibly affecting frequency of procs, crit %s, bonuses, etc etc.

3. Many posters lament their newfound understanding that the work to date gearing their toons may be of little value as of the next expansion in Feb., and suggest that they have little incentive to continue to seek improved versions of current 80 gear prior to Feb.

4. In the ensuing 10 days or so, an unprecedented number of new high quality listings begin on Livegamer, as multiple avatar-geared toons appear -- including blindside, crabbok, odii, cala, and others daily.

5 Livegamer prices continue to fall dramatically for the best geared toons as the discussion of the future down-scaling continues.


So, construe these facts anyway you would like, but the market suggests to me that the down-scaling rumors are have a very tangible effect already.

Kall

I've posted exactly what they need to do and exactly why they won't do it.

Scout and Fighter CAs need to be completely revamped and auto attack needs to be nerfed to hell. This requires the devs to go through each CA/Spell and scale the damage values and casting time to produce a now better mix of overall damage output like 65% CA/Spells, 25% Auto Attack, 10% procs. They say they won't do this because it would "upset the community" but the real reason is obviously because it'd require a fuckton of planning, testing, and development time to ensure each class is properly balanced under this new revamp. They couldn't even successfully do Fighter taunts, so there's no way in hell they'd successfully be able to do a change like this without majorly fucking it up.

All this crap they're throwing around now with gear scaling, crit merging, and varying crit multipliers between classes could be good for the game if done right, but if done wrong could leave some classes completely fucked. Like for example, why do they even need varying class crit multipliers when crits get merged when a class like a Rogue or Predator now gains virtually nothing from 100% spell crit since item procs got nerfed.

Another thing is the item development is just lazy. Everything is increase DA, MC, SC, MCB, SCB, Base Damage, or a proc instead of stuff like I suggested they use more of back in TSO beta like items with multiple CA/Spell focus effects like the 12-Tone earstone and that sorcerer robe from SoH and various other ideas that people have mentioned over and over again.

They need to fix the system first and then add to it instead of continuing to add to a broken system.

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firamas

Not everyone is familiar with the term. In fact I'd guess that over half of the people who are reading this thread (lurkers mostly) are casual enough about their gaming that they never heard it used. It's a WoW term, this is an EQ2 board, but it applies here; I defined it once and only once in my first usage in this thread. How the fuck is that "showing off"? HEY GUYS I KNOW A WOW TERM. Wtf?

...and the person who "called me on it" didn't even have any ground to stand on. I'm pretty sure that doesn't count? =p

Again, I ask: if you always assume the worst how are you going to provide meaningful feedback to the devs on a regular basis?

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