daw4888

Do what they were going to do... change the hate x-fer buffs to a buff that gives you a hate proc + a decent amount of aggression. And then make Aggression so it increase the resist rate of taunts, and increases the amount taunts can do.

Tumor73

Fill the missing space in the MT group with a fluffer. Hopefully a druid with a thick bush.

firamas

this is why we need a post rating system

+1 dude, thanks for making me laugh a little bit on this miserably hot friday morning

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Divexo

I am not toooo imformed on the matter, i'll admit...but wouldn't that still be the tanks having to depend on another class for hate gain? All that said above is no diffrent than hate x-fer, only the scout buffing the tank can now ninja afk.

Either way, it all coems down to the player...you can tell when a tank sucks regardless of the gear and group...they either hold aggro..or they don't period.i know simple, but it is what it is.

Hoss

the swash and assassin hate xfers were being changed to a proc detaunt. I think the xfer portion of the coercer spell was being changed into a hate proc. Or that might have been link that was turning into a hate proc for tanks. Cannot remember what was happening to the dirge spell. Is there a xfer component of the dirge buff?

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Divexo

That makes sense then in making aggro more independent(other than the coercer proc)
Thanks Hoss

Zormik

I think there's a lot of misconception about brawlers. We have a bruiser that MT-ed the hardest shit in the game, including avatars. I'm not saying brawlers don't need help, but the major problem is that a lot of guilds don't try it out.

Should they get improved? Sure, but it isn't as bad as some people suggest it is.

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firamas

Yep... just look to Confirmed, who had a brawler as their primary MT for a decent stretch of time last year. Trumak tanked literally every slice of content in the game, and the raid never suffered for it. He didn't need any kind of specially constructed MT group or extra healing support, he just filled in where a plate tank would have been and away they went.

Brawlers shouldn't be overtly as strong at main tanking as a plate tank. Just because they are a fighter doesn't mean they automatically deserve to be as strong in every aspect of tanking (similarly, all scouts and mages shouldn't excel in the same areas). What's the point of class differentiation if we ignore that? Why not just have Fighter, Healer, Scout, Mage as your 4 classes if that's going to be our attitude towards game design.

Now, once again, just because they aren't naturally as strong doesn't mean they can't do it. They might need a little better quality of gear or a lot better quality of guildmate supporting them, but there is certainly evidence to the contrary here.

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