parmenion

I'd like to see a signature quest for a sales crate similar to the 10% broker fee VDC.

Selling from normal crates available to everyone costs 100% more broker fee than selling in veteran display cases. Veteran reward display cases show a cheaper listing on market searches, guaranteeing many more sales. VDC sales have lower market operating costs, this factor allows tradeskill markets to be completely dominated by vets if they wish, afterall they can list stuff below the costs to make of a new player yet the vet is still making a healthy profit. The different sales tax effect applies to every sale that people won't travel to houses for, which often covers all sales except bulk rares, masters, some collectibles etc. When do you travel, 2p, 5p, 10p, 50p?


I know I travel for a very small amount of sales, I wouldn't have time for anything else otherwise. A crate per character lets veterans sell huge amount of stock, if they wish to, via VDC alts, when I do travel I see lots of houses with 3 or more VDC's lined up in them.



Day one veterans had 3 years with exactly the same costs of using the player market as everyone else.


If you started an account a few months after EQ2 launched you only had a few months of market disadvantage against some of the playerbase who already had crates.

Any player beginning now has upto 3 YEARS where they earn less on the same activities. They make less sales, their products are listed as being more expensive, and they can never compete fairly against veteran sellers in the player market.



New players today shouldn't be taxed differently than new players originally, just because of 1 reward. The "just wait 3 years for your VDC" doesn't mean the same thing when it depends very much which 3 years you waited! The 3 year wait with equal earnings, or the 3 year wait with penalised earnings.

We need a signature quest to get a 10% broker fee crate for all players, so vets can have 2 per character, but new players don't have a 3 year penalty to their earnings, with zero ingame mechanic to address it.


It's always hard enough for new players to join an established game, but established games do always need new players to replace those who've done everything and moved on, player turnover is just a fact of life. The VDC amounts to an old-boy network tax-code that can totally exclude new players from nearly all tradeskill markets, (how can they compete against a vet who can drop his price below their COSTS and he's still making 9.999% profit per item) and makes new players earn less than the veterans in the same groups doing the exact same adventuring content, and with nautrally lower earnings the extra tax makes its that much harder for newer players to get masters, gear and adornments in a mature market.


Vets can have 2 10% crates per character, other players could have 1 if they work a quest through, it seems a fair compromise to me. I realise vets may not personally benefit, but I think the health of the server population, and the quality of the gear/masters/adorns newer players can afford does have a benefit to veterans, empty servers and poorly spelled / geared new players doesn't help when you need someone for your group or raid, or to recruit to replace a vet who has moved on.

The VDC is a big concern to my small family guild, it's one of the most talked about and frustrating things about the game for us, strange as that may sound to an audience largely of veteran raiders it seems from these boards. Even when we do get our crates in another year, it's not an attractive prospect to be able to then stick it to the new players who are in the position we were in previously.

Deson

Better than the OP on the official forums but still not going to see much support. Best option was missed back in RoK to have them crafted with Chromatic essences. Hoping you've done it but just in case you haven't, feedback in game for other options for the reduced displays. I'm personally going to ask for current crates to get an "imbue" recipe requiring a drop like the essences.

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parmenion

Well at least this thread here isn't going to get closed by a sony mod because it's only a minorities concern, new players shouldn't be such a minority, it's not healthy for the game.

Deson

Trust me, if posters here pay attention to the thread you'll be begging for the lock. Run while you can and just keep feedbacking. The idea has merit but you should separate it from your now well seen grievance.

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parmenion

Besides, we've built a bunch of 80 characters, adventure & tradeskill, we've worked for our little guildhall, we've done some raiding - I don't really see why we have to count ourselves as new players only, we're doing the same activities as probably many older players we just happen to be the wrong side of the 3year mark marketplace tax break scheme.

We're not asking for anything to be handed to us, not gear or levels or aa's or plat or anything else, we just want the option to pay the same tax on the same activities.

Deson

You're not new players, you're just not 3 year vets. It's a marketing scheme to reward those who've stuck by the game for an extended period of time and there shouldn't be an issue with that. When your account hits the 3 year mark, you'll get it too but for this particular issue you just need to drop the grievance because it does more harm than good.

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parmenion

I've been pleasantly surprised to see a number of things I've feedbacked over the last year come in as implementations, so obviously they were ideas that lots of people had too and feedbacked and were popular. I only feedback it every 20th-30th or so times I put something on the broker and have to adjust the price for half sales tax competition, but I wonder if that isn't enough however that I'm blacklisted from the feedback roster sometimes ;)

Unfortunately this idea benefits a minority and lessens the advantage of a larger section of the playerbase, so I'm never expecting much if any support, I'm just happy if people are even aware of it.

lightcloud

is it really hard to get a 3 year old acc? i mean for fucks sake., every xpac you own adds 90 days. think you need something better to bitch about. i like undercutting people that dont have a vet case. you know how they solve the problem? /gasp they undercut me! wow how markets work

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Deson

I'm pretty sure they don't anymore.

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Argyuile

God forbid anyone who has played the game for a long time should be rewarded for it.

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