Codeseer

I pose the following question for discussion:


What is the best way of dealing with guild members who refuse to contribute?

In my specific case, I'm the leader of a casual guild. The foundation of the guild was built on fairness and friendliness. Yet, we have several members, even level 80 crafters, who just refuse to contribute to the guild. We are inches away from level 30 and obtaining a guild hall, yet still these members have 0 status contribution, while many others have under 1000 guild status points. We even have members who refuse to do writs in areas they're going to be adventuring in anyway. This is becomming a weighted issue in my eyes and I'm torn between our fairness to the others who do contribute and our friendliness of saying anything to the ones that don't contribute. I am even currently offering members platinum coin to contribute, yet they still refuse; so, I'm at my wits end of what do do about this situation. On one thought I consider just letting it go; on another thought I consider severely restricting the guild related benefits to those who don't contribute; yet, on another thought I consider just removing those who don't contribute from the guild.

Deson

Is there a requirement to do writs? Was that made clear? How is contribution defined? Do they play with others at all?

Sounds whiny tbh.

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Codeseer

Well should they not contribute if they are to benefit from the guild's offerings? Isn't that just fairness?

I haven't stated it as a requirement, and that may be an option, but i have stressed the need for it on multiple occasions.

Contribution is defined in terms of guild status points (which our ranks are actually based on), helping others and monetary/item donations to the guild bank for others to make use of; none of this is being done by the ones that have 0 status.

Edit:

I don't particularly care for guilds that lock things down from member use, like status vendors and such; but on the other hand, I'm seeing why they do it now.

firamas

Deson is right.. even the most casual guild needs clearly defined rules. Call them "guidelines" if you want, whatever. Casual does not mean lassez-faire. If you want to require status contribution in order to give people benefits (or even keep them guilded) then do so. You need to enforce whatever you put into place though.

Make sure you have clearly defined goals, and that all of your members know your vision. A guild without goals is just a chatroom (is that what you want? if so, I think you've answered your own question). Make sure your goals and policies are aligned and make sense from a cause->effect perspective.

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Oh, no!

Codeseer

You're right.

Edit:

We don't really have a 'rule set'; that isn't helping the cause.

Awaka

Well,

I hate doing writs and grinding crafting quests- it's just boring - I prefer to do instances/etc - I really wis they had heroic writs for many of the instances in the game - I might be more inclined to do them.

But I do sell the relics to gain guilds status that I have been in- as I adventure I do find many of these.

With that said since your a casual guild members should have a clearly defined set of goals for the guild - if those have been established and people still refuse to sell a relic or do a write while they are solo adventuring in areas that offer the writs then you should disband them.

If it's possible for your guild to do you could always do the guild raid zones x2's and x4's from the guild merchant in the cities- the mobs you kill will provide status to the guild much faster than rights. A casual guild should be able to do a few of those with relative ease. Though I have never actually been through one of those raid zones. This way you are having 12+24 people at one time during the raid providing a ton of status to the guild.

Deson

So it is whiny.

Some people like doing writs, some don't. As long as they contribute to the well being of the guild as a whole it's not worth it. If you make it a specific rule and don't have a grandfather clause, expect to lose the guild.

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Codeseer

Do you get paid to troll?

Deson

You came to 'flames asked advice, got straight answers but call me a troll?

You get paid to be stupid?

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Codeseer

You're right. I'm sorry. I must be a total retard.