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Old 04-26-2007, 03:47 AM  
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If its worse, its not improved, period. I dont care why its worse, the fact is its worse and they cannot truthfully claim an improvement. Hell, by your logic unless we get the same exact number of players we cant say they didnt improve anything because they could come and say the changes only apply if there are 10 full raid groups in the area, no more, no less, or something equally as useless.

There are always going to be more or less people in the area, the fact is, the lag was worse, period. And yes, we have been there with over 100 in zone before, it was much worse today.
They said it was improved, they didn't say it was improved under every circumstance. We suffered no lag tonight at MO with another guild in close proximity.
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Old 04-26-2007, 03:54 AM  
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What if your internet kept disconnecting you ever 10minutes, just on and off. Then your ISP tells you they have been working on it and that you will have improved connection rates and increased your bandwidth. You then start getting disconnected every 5minutes. Would you be happy or would you be pissed off?
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Old 04-26-2007, 04:10 AM  
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razieh, 100 plat for that isnt it a bit over priced?
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Old 04-26-2007, 04:14 AM  
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They said it was improved, they didn't say it was improved under every circumstance. We suffered no lag tonight at MO with another guild in close proximity.
We've fought MO with another guild in proximity with no lag many times, wtf does that mean?
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well I seriously doubt that SOE considers the quest to be useless...in that past 18 hours or so, probably over ten times as many people have completed the quest as have ever fought PHH...also, when I was running around doing the quest, I saw a couple of NPU members running around on a warg...

also, you really can't judge whether or not the change affected lag in LP today because of the quest...the change specifically addressed raids and supposedly did nothing related to anything else...the reason that there was significantly more lag today than there was previously with as many people in the zone is because everyone working on the quest was charming wolves and then the quest dude was constantly despawning the wolves so that was causing significantly more lag than usual...

what is going on today, is an incredibly exceptional situation...normally if you have 100 people in the zone while PHH is up, about a quarter are watching the fight, and another quarter are standing around doing nothing, and the rest are just soloing shit...today it happens that half the zone are charming shit which is an ability that they don't normally even have...

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Old 04-26-2007, 04:52 AM  
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thinking about the situation with 20/20 hindsight, there are two things that SOE could (and arguably should) have done to prevent this situation since there is no way that they could have magically eliminated charm lag...
1) forcefully delay PHH's spawn by 24-48 hours...of course I'm not in a guild that kills contesteds so I'm not an expert on how there spawns work but this seems reasonable...
2) open up multiple instances of LP and have a GM spawn and kill PHH...then do something to ensure that the instances stay open for at least 24 hours...
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We've fought MO with another guild in proximity with no lag many times, wtf does that mean?
It means you cannot judge improvement based on one situation.
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:12 AM  
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It was worse than it's ever been.. in general and fighting a mob.. no there werent more people than normal in LP because of the warg quest.. there were ~100 people in zone which is completely expected when a contested is up, 3 guilds forming, lag was terrible. and it was even worse on other servers
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:28 AM  
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Earlier I was on valor, *German server* and was getting the normal amount of lag i get when i play (virtually none).
This really catched my attention.
What Valor are you playing on?

The lags described here (3-5 Sec. spellag at PHH, 10 seconds at Gardener before Charmpatch) i consider standard or even extraordinary goodfor Valor. That pulls we don't get more than 3 seconds of spelllag at phh are those we are happy about and won't wipe.
PHH e.g. ist virtually unkillable if there are more than ~50/60 people in lp.
MO is virtually unkillable if there is a third or -god fobid- a foruth raid in bm.

I'm not exaggerating here.
E.g. Our raid can reach up to 30k dps in spite of the "standard lag" of Valor in EH with "normal raidbuild".
Specifically designed for optimum dps we won't even get 20k at MO ever.
Buffed as i am here i can do 2,8 DPS and more in situations w/o lag.
At MO i won't ever reach 2k.
Or another example: As brigand neither at MO nor at PHH i was ever -in dunno how many kills each- able to get two cas chained up to double up. It's just impossible because before and after every single ca there will be a small lag pause at least.
Or take avatars as another example. Our kills here last far over 30 minutes because you just can't do any considerable dps with those lags.
Damn more often than not i can't even get my five "1st choice" cas to hit when dispatched into those 17,5 Seconds! (And no, i'm not stunned/stifled by an ae or the damageshield then)
A mob we killed before, Avatar of Flame, we can't kill anymore.
And it's not because we could not handle the changes here, it's because those changes just increased the lag while fightin this mob by extreme proportions.
After some minutes of fighting i'm down to less than 10 cas per minute, because the lag won't allow any more to fire.

Apart from expressing my wonder about the quoted part, i hope any dev will read this and maybe communicate the extreme lag issues we have on german servers.
Our Server Community has done everything so far to call attention to this issue.
We made dozens of threads in the soe forums, we /bugged, we /petitioned hundreds of times.
We gave a shitload of information including very very detailed descriptions of the situations, dxdiags and whatnot. We offered devs/gms to participate in those raids to make themselves a 1st hand picture.
At last we even officially complained about out community mistress, because we won't see any improvements or even a statement what is planned to be done about this.

If the new patch schould indeed even worsen the lag situations, there won't be anymore eof-contested kills on german servers.
We were riding the edge here already before that patch.
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:34 AM  
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They upgraded from Pentium 2's to Pent 3... Didn't add anymore ram, still have 1gig in them...
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