This is what's wrong with EQ2 lore - Page 3

Diknak · 10-15-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zykdous

Cenime takes you out of the picture, I always felt. When you suddenly become a disembodied floating viewpoint, you are observing events happening to a third party, not experiencing events happening to you. There is no greater immersion than to feel as if you are a part of things.

All these tools people claim add immersion: cenimatics, voice overs, cut scenes involving gameplay; they are not required, and are rather a cheap way for developers to go around having to create an immersive game. Case and point, The Elder Scroll series. Morrowind was the most immersive game I played. Why? You talk to an NPC and you spend the next 20 minutes reading. Just like the real world, everyone had a story. It made the game feel more alive. Then here comes Oblivion, with its new immersive full voice over npcs. Suddenly, everyone only has 1 sentence to say to you.

Afterthought, isn't lore supposed to be a story, anyway? Ever read a book, then watched a movie, and thought, "man.. the book was so much better"? It's happened for nearly every book I've read taht a movie exists for. You just can't get as immersive as the bounds of your own imagination.

Summary: I disagree.

True, Oblivion NPCs were not talkative at all,but have you played Fallout? Everything is voiced and they have tons of lines.

Pinski · 10-15-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Diknak

True, Oblivion NPCs were not talkative at all,but have you played Fallout? Everything is voiced and they have tons of lines.

If you can't imagine somebody's voice without help you need to get a better imagination, period.

Zykdous · 10-15-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mero

I was just commenting on this last night while running SoL, I wanted to know the story but the quest dialogues were so long winded I just said fuck it and skipped through all the bullshit. About the only quests I read are ones that are short or are major story arcs, the majority of which are much more tedious to read than they ought to be.

So you want half the story?

Illuminator · 10-15-2009, 01:13 PM

You don't even need voiceovers to do this right. And you don't need to replay most cinematic sequences multiple times, in fact I'd even say it is incorrect to do so.

Also, the camera running around zones like NHT after zone-in doesn't even apply to this thread IMO, that shit should just be taken out completely.

Sylvanking · 10-15-2009, 01:14 PM

TLDR !

hehe ...

I don't know if anyone mentioned it ... but there is a game that uses alot of cinematics and cut scenes ... in those cut scenes you can actually see your character or party standing there in the scene. It's not super immersive but the concept of using the players actual character appearance in this cut scene is pretty fucking cool !

Diknak · 10-15-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

If you can't imagine somebody's voice without help you need to get a better imagination, period.

I enjoy hearing the squeaky voices of Gnomes, the childish voices of Fae, the drawn out S's in Ratonga, the deep underlying purr of Kerra, serene sounding Wood Elves, and the tough Irish accents in Dwarfs.

That is like saying that If you can't enjoy a movie with closed captions and no sound you need to get a better imagination, period.

Sylvanking · 10-15-2009, 01:17 PM

Pinksi lives in the dark ages.

If you need a PC to play D&D you need a better imagination !

Deson · 10-15-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoss

FUCK CINEMATICS

It was one of my biggest problem with AoC and is my biggest problem with console games. They fucking suck, I hate them all and you need to die in a fire for suggesting they be added to this game.

/agree

The issue with the lore presentation exampled is that it's out of place with the pace of the game, not that it's too much reading. Having done that epic quest, it just sucks to have that be the only real place to gain all that lore while you have a group waiting to help you move on. Same goes for a lot of the lore in game; it's shitty making people wait for you because you want to read the background story. It's almost as bad as the long winded Valdoon speech that's forced on you every time you want to kill him or "The Master" speech in Crucible. Pace breaking lore/speeches should all be placed in books or a more robust quest journal.

Sylvanking · 10-15-2009, 01:28 PM

Yeah I think I have to agree with Deson, that is spot on.

It's funny people clear the three, then run to the other wings to clear while he's talking then come back to kill him. Grps weren't like that the first time I ran the zone but now after 100's of runs it is.

Anduri · 10-15-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanking

Pinksi lives in the dark ages.

If you need a PC to play D&D you need a better imagination !

True though.