Who can hold aggro? - Page 5

Laretha · 10-26-2009, 01:50 AM

ok my comment was about grp instances and not Mt or OT in a raid as we raid with 2 very well geared and played guardians.

My comment was about agro and not what is the best class of tank. I prefer Paladins over Sk's espeically for pic up grps, why well amends removes some of the skill and gear factor!.

I am sure there are a lot of well geared and well played Sk's Guardians and Zekers out there but generally for pick up grps my prefernce is the pally. ok why.

If you want to do a instance fast other tank classes rely on certan aoe ca's or spells to be up to grab agro and sooner or later you take agro

Amends dont.

You can precast your bigger nukes prior to the pull and the pally will still hold ago. Cant do that with any other class tank.

If I die and the pally looses agro its not really hard for the pally to put amends on someone else!

So this is not about who is the best tank but in instances where dying is not that much of a issue e pally is perfered.

Lare

Sambone · 10-26-2009, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by destriel

warlock.

end of story.

Yup. Warlocks in plate for 2010

Davngr · 10-26-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by radish

All I said in 70's was that they held the best aggro. Maybe you need glasses, or maybe you're just a sheep with no real opinions of your own. You're retarded, that specific enough for ya?

look retard.. there was a shit load of people talking shit on the channel that day and the only think i commenting on was you saying that paladin the best MT for raids.. sure it's an ok choice for simple encounters but for the more difficult encounters the fact that the pally might loose ammeds to o so common raid detrimental makes paladin, not optimal in the MT position.

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Originally Posted by Mezelline

If a paladin loses aggro to an SK, there is either a massive gear/AA difference or the Paladin is a shitty player.

Sadly, the shitty player is the more common explanation. Most good players who play tanks tend to go for either Guardian (because of the historic raid MT advantage) or Shadowknight (because of the FOTM factor).

Most tanks that have been sticking it out with Zerker/Paladin are usually too stubborn to roll to the better class, placing class aesthetics above ability to do their job effectively.

Of course, there are always exceptions. A good player will be a good tank, no matter what the class. Paladins do have the best aggro control, and Berserkers do have the best dps. But its not enough to make up for the many advantages that SKs/Guards have.

When I was a paladin in T2 shard armor, I could hold aggro against full groups of Avatar-geared players. The moment I betrayed to SK I lost that kind of aggro control, and it took several months of gearing to even have a chance of holding aggro in those kinds of groups again.

uh.. actually id say pally/guard are the under dogs..

ps. btw when you betrayed you obviously dint know how to tank with an sk, think that was why you could not hold agro.

Snooppy · 10-26-2009, 09:51 AM

I just fucking hate nub SK's that Grave Sacrament and wonder where the pet is....

Nektulos-Tuor · 10-26-2009, 12:38 PM

Guardians can hold aggro??? when

Diknak · 10-26-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Guardians can hold aggro??? when

I know a lot of guardians that can.

Jeal · 10-26-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Deule

But, than again I've never played with a Pally that creates more hate than me (SK).

ahem...

Ower · 10-26-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Deule

Alright, its way past time to be pulling out the old check parses card. The high parses you see are from before the proc nerf...you know the nerf that took a big chunk out of Crusaders DPS. You know the complaint about Cursaders having high spell crit affecting procs and their base damage affecting procs. Those are gone. Procs suck now.

Recheck recent parses.

The fact is that the new parses still beats the warrior parse.. Shit man check it yourself... Pls dont try and turn this into you vs me thread again... im done with you... Again go and check on the new parses and see for your self. Its no lie that cursaders still parse shit loads more than warriors DWing. Sure maybe pallys are more close now but they still parse more than a warrior with shield only saying. Even you can say that it isent true.

Nektulos-Tuor · 10-26-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ower

The fact is that the new parses still beats the warrior parse.. Shit man check it yourself... Pls dont try and turn this into you vs me thread again... im done with you... Again go and check on the new parses and see for your self. Its no lie that cursaders still parse shit loads more than warriors DWing. Sure maybe pallys are more close now but they still parse more than a warrior with shield only saying. Even you can say that it isent true.

not to mention they have way better tools for staying alive, holding aggro, and buffing the group.

but its balanced! (tm)

Argyuile · 10-26-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

not to mention they have way better tools for staying alive, holding aggro, and buffing the group.

but its balanced! (tm)

Just because your shitty doesn't mean shit is broke.