Otis

I think Coyote nails it.

I also think that asking certain people here to partake in some sort of self-moderation is just doomed to failure, unfortunately.

I'm afraid you're between Scylla and Charybdis on this one, Ix. You're in a no-win situation. You want the timid little bunnies to post here, but there are way too many wolves just waiting to pounce. The bunnies need protecting.

Ishbu

People who are afraid to post here are probably afraid to post anywhere that isnt 100% moderated so they cant be offended, harasssed, named called, or shown to be moronic in anyway, shape, or form.

Its a fucking mostly anonymous interent message board. How big of a god damn pussy do you have to be to actually be afraid to post somewhere because of a "poster bully"? Are you fucking kidding me? Those are the people who need to re-roll in third grade.

Im sorry but if you ask a very stupid question, you deserve a very stupid answer. Look at the class boards real quick, nearly every single one of them has a stickied post giving the jist of a class rundown for the important things that apply to that class. Ill be the first to acknowledge that I am probably the poster child for the posert bullies and I am much more civil on the class boards than I am on any other boards here. I wont say Im a fucking angel and that I will make fun of someone who comes to the conjuror board and makes a post saying, "I find the tank pet is the best pet to use, do you other mages really think you get more dps from the mage pet?" You know why that person deserves to be made fun of? I took my time to make a decen write up that flat out told people how to play a conjuror well. If they cannot read that themselves, they are an idiot and deserve to be called one.

On the other side of the coin, there are threads on the conjuror boards even that frankly I think are stupid. I have not deleted them, I didnt even ridicule the people in most cases and let them go, offering nothing but real information because yes, the only reason to have a class board is to get some help and information about the class and no, I am not making stickied posts for every possible fucking thing that could occur.

So LFG, I think we can agree I am definitly not a nice person. If the class boards that I am supposed to be running are civil enough that there are no problems on it, then there is not a problem on this site. There is only a problem with the little bitches who were offended reading through the class boards because they have some sort of massive problem with people telling it like it is or something. You can judge this for yourself simply be looking through the conjuror board.

The class boards are where you can get your most help. After that, this never was and never should be the website for your questions asking for help on courts in DoF or other equaly noobish, retarded questions. Thats what the SOE boards are moderated and maintained for, for help with the stupid shit that everyone with a brain figured out 18 months ago. Diversity is nice and all, but lets not try and become leader in the industry of help for the retarded. None of us are being paid for that, nor did anyone volunteer for that, however people on the SOE boards are and do.

Think of it like a guild. Having diverse classes and people in a guild is a great idea. Having people with diverse playtimees is great if you can make it work because you can lockdown zones and mobs 24/7. Do you know any top end guilds that recruit subpar players on purprose to make this happen? No, yet every top end guild has that one or two people who just arent as good as the others. You will have a few people, but there is no reason to over run anything with the common trash.

Bottom line, if they are too afrad to use an internet message board because they will be made fun of and that hurts their feelings, they have bigger problems.

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LFG

I believe good wildlife management includes thinning a herd as needed to promote the strongest and healthiest overall population.

I also think some type A posters are like game wardens. These posters attempt to act in the common good when they reduce the undesirable specimens in the herd. A "good" type A poster understands that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Then there are those type A posters who I think of as "Buffalo Bill" posters. These posters don't only take what is needed from the herd for entertainment and sustenance, or pick out only those animals who would soon be removed based on natural selection or by the game wardens. Instead, the Buffalo Bill posters always mount up the Gatling Gun and try and see how many they can kill and how quickly, up to wiping out the entire herd if they can.

So all I'm suggesting to our type A posters is, be more like a game warden than Buffalo Bill.

Thank you

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Ishbu

How about you just add one more board to the website that is called, "Dumbfuck's Den."

This is a board for the dumbfucks obviously. No "Type A" poster is ever supposed to post there as long as they are not implied, talked about, refered to, or anything dealling with them is not brought up first. Then those useless players have a board for themselves with no problems.

Oh but wait, let me guess they will be scared off by the name and tell their parents your run an unclean site right?

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RadarX

Coyote has finally said what some of us have been thinking for months. Welcome to an unchained version of NGD. Now you know why some of us were so amused when we came over to Flames. Many of the posters WERE us...just a potty mouthed, angrier version.

And no LFG I'm not sure self moderation will work because you are basically asking for the mob to make judgement. In order to do that, the mob has to agree with one another.

You have a small number of people who have the social skills of a group of 5th graders, I'll grant that. And it's not about being bullied, I know 4 or 5 people who would have argued with people here and would have no problem getting in their face in real life. They just get tired of the same people whining about the same things and the negative attitudes so they go somewhere else. That's what makes this a flames site though.

The class forums have been really helpful but if you start digging through a lot of these recent posts what do you see? Complaints about the expansion, complaints about the new city, complaints about lockout timers, complaints about contested mobs, complaints about the forums being down, complaints about EQ2 marketing, complaints about the Test server... the list is endless. And the complaints are brutally honest which some people can't handle.

The people that post here are going to have to be ok with that, and some aren't. I don't know what you can really do about that.

And there is my honest opinion.

LFG

Ish, I think you are doing a great job on the class boards, and what is being done there is appropriate. I am frequently AMAZED at how nice extremely hardcore raiders are to actual, legitimate noobs on the class boards, WHEN said noobs approach and ask questions in a respectful manner, rather than with a chip on their shoulders. That is what I always intended for this site, and is very appropriate.

I'm sorry if me saying this dissappoints you in anyway, but you were not necessarily one of the people I was referring to in my first post in this thread.

You are at least a strategic asshole, you usually don't attempt to destroy people for mere sport and griefing, and are definitely not a "me too" poster for the purpose of seeing how many people you can blow out of the water based on shear body count.

The main people I'm referring to never contribute useful content or try and help other users in any way - the majority of their posts are one and two line replies for the sole purpose of insulting people and provoking arguments.

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oddyophile

Now do you mean "Wild West show" Buffalo Bill, or "It puts the lotion on its skin" Buffalo Bill?

Talonis

Not always. Some folks think the theme of this site is license for them to troll into any thread they feel like and throw down the "you suck noobs, learn2play, I am the best" - regardless of the discussion. They bring nothing to the discussion, instead choosing to seize the opportunity to exercise their 'site given right' to randomly flame anyone for anything without regard, relying on the warm blanket of intentionally light moderation to be disruptive turds.

That said, the folks that are too scared to post here are probably better off not doing so anyways. At the risk of sounding elitist, I'll go out on a limb and say we delve into EQ2 topics here that are sometimes for the advanced user, so-to-speak. Granted these topics are balanced by the opposite end of the spectrum in literary intelligence as well, but I think we cater to the player with a certain taste and attitude.

Do we really seek the addition of the folks wanting to ask "Where is the collection turn-in guy in Freeport?"

Pass thanks.

Please follow this link: http://everquest2.station.sony.com/

Please hit yourself in the face with a ball-peen hammer.

We're tackling the tough issues here. This isn't for the faint of spirit or stomach. LOL. Okay. Maybe I embellish, but at least we can discuss them in a lightly moderated environment. No StarryEyedWolfDickfaceDooch to fuck up a good convo that is just getting interesting.

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Silverfox

I think a lot of the apprehension people have about posting is from a time that has past, and it really only tears in when people spout of 'facts' that are completely wrong. People are right on about the class forums too.

However the stigma is still there. I've had people say the same thing LFG is talking about to me before in game. Both about here and the official forums. I don't get why they care though, just ignore people or start flaming back if thats your bag.

In a way the negative attitude is like shooting yourself in the foot though. SoE has to develop content around what people are playing. They know what content is being used and how often people are doing it. The more people get frustrated the less they want to play. The less people playing a certain type of content the less SoE can justify putting resources into developing that content.

While I'm certainly not saying hold everyones hands and blow rainbows out our asses while giving out strats to every raid mob... you can steer people in the right direction without being a total ass.

Theres 11-12 guilds raiding to some extent on crushbone right now. It'd be awsesome if they all survivde the summer. Come on SoE we are hitting your raids give us more.


But worse than any hard asses are the people who do nothing but post some lame ass "LOL NOOB" comment. WTF are you even here for.

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Talonis

Time out....

Raise your hand if you threw the mental bullshit flag on this one and INSTANTLY thought Ishbu, hahahahahaha!!!!!

Ok, sorry. That made me lawl.

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