Ishbu

This game isnt indepth enough to have lively discussions without flaming. Flaming is the only reason any threads end up interesting. The reason its better on loosly moderated sites is because you have to go use a theseurus to get creative in calling someone a fucking moron and then that fucking moron obviously doesnt understand the words that were used so its all glossed over.

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Calthine

You know, a girl can get real dizzy here watching the spin.

Sorry LFG, you made a place where the disaffected could talk without being put down by Da Man. So they do. And some people are just assholes and enjoy upsetting people just for the fun of it. That particular demographic is not into self-moderation, and may even see your request as, well, being put down by Da Man.

Meanwhile you named it Flames. Which somehow gives people the impression that it's for Flaming.

Not sure what to tell ya; the site has real value because of the discussions in Gamplay and Class forums, but the large amount of socially unacceptable behavior here will drive off a significant number of potential users. If they can even get past the name.

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Argyuile

I fail to see the problem with that thread. Who got "flamed off the boards". Just because people don't post in your thread doesn't mean is for the reasons you posted above. Mabye its just un-interesting or the answer is self-evident. Very poor example IMO.

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Kyrsten

When I tell guildies about this site, most of them are pretty receptive of it. There are a few who have said that there's a bunch of bullshit on here (and let's be honest, in some people's eyes, flaming over stupid shit someone did in a game is bullshit), but they also agree with me that once you sort through the bullshit, there's a LOT of very valuable information here.

I think the site rules are pretty clearly set forth, and unless they are just stupid, I'd think people should have a pretty good idea of what they are getting into when they register here. This thread reminds me of some of the posts I used to see on Something Awful - people whining about content, Moderator! Billy said a bad word and called me a stupid faggot, someone else called me a dumbass for saying something that I couldn't back up, etc. Whaaaaaa, whatever. Sack up and deal with it, or go home.

There will always be some douchbag who posts goatse or tubgirl or some other fucked up shit in the middle of a thread just to stir up trouble, or the few jackholes who go from thread to thread to needlessly harass someone, but that's what you have moderators for. The asses get their ban, the rest of the forum moves on, and life is good.

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arturos

As a relative newb to this site i am classified as a troll. I recently switched form my necro to my inquis. If it was not for the recent additions of the class forums, I would still have many unanswered questions about the class. Sure i can post on the sony site but what i get there is 4 million different ways to screw in a light bulb.. I dont want four million, i want 1 or 2. What is nice here is that people will post an answer to a question with the knowledge that someone else will disagree, so they will back that answer with data.. and facts and personal experience. Then someone else will come along and "flame" them with their own facts and own figures disputing the original answer and the debate rages on.. what do i get as a newblet from this debate?? I get the lowdown rockbottom no bullshit answer to my question.

Im sorry LFG if you feel that perhaps there are bullies on the forums. as with anything these people are everywhere. The funny thing is at any given moment any one of them can put their foot in their own mouth and be told to STFU..

I also feel that people show plenty of restraint and professionalism when a true debate rages.. (notice i said true not this bullshit of come to my house and say it to my face crap, e gads that just tells me ur an idiot and u lost ur argument) when this true debate rages more knowledge is spread then anything. im sorry but its true when two people diametrically opposed to one another argue facts and ideas that is what makes this site great.

If there is any attempt to change all this you will lose way more then u gain LFG,
You have a place where people at the top of their game congregate and share information, and taunts and threats on mommas and dogs and cats and iq bashing. you change that and u will lose these talents and that is what draws people here...

but for that brutal honesty of real solid information that can be trusted to work? i will gladly bear and participate in the rest.. much like achems razor this site will give me the most basic and simple answers.

Gtwo

Ya id have to agree with the view that the class forums are by far the least flamed forums here and are very a great value.

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Argyuile

Give me an empirical definition of what is "Socially acceptable". You definition of "Socially acceptable" is different from mine which is different from LFG's. Also those people are Assholes by your definition, and just because you say it doesn't make it so.

Telling people to self-moderate is ridiculous because people already ARE self moderated, just not to the degree that YOU think is acceptable.

The fact is that this board always has better discussions about problems and solutions because of the lack of XTREME moderation. Telling people to STFU or moderating makes the discussion useless, ala the main boards.

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Talonis

Reading comprehension ftw.

Read the first sentence of the part you quoted, dipshit.

Are you too dense to see the topic, which exists on practically every other class forum, was effectively quashed by folks that added nothing to the topic except to say it wasn't worth discussing in the first place? That those folks are all people you would expect to be at the tip of spear in such a discussion? Perhaps you are missing the point of this discussion in the first place. Go back to page one and return when you are less ignorant to the topic.

You'd be hard pressed to find a better example.

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Darammer

QFE. You set up a website primarily for the expatriates from the official forums. Despite your laughable comparisons of these people to "political prisoners," the fact is most of them were banned from those boards because they are incapable of discussing issues in a mature manner, without needlessly insulting those on the other side. Hell, Ishbu just said as much himself; a thread's not interesting unless there's a flame in it.

You can't have it both ways. You can't set up a board for the socially stunted masses, and then try to entice those who might be intimidated by the same to post also.

Simply put, this board isn't for everyone, and it shouldn't be.

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Calthine

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Don't have to. Enough folks have complained to have an unspoken community agreement that socially unacceptable behavior happens. As evidenced by various examples, specific and nonspecific, in this thread.

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