It is time to level-block mails and /tell's - Page 10

Trumak · 05-20-2007, 03:37 AM

Personally I don't think sony wants the plat farming/selling to stop, regardless of whether the farmers are doing it illegally. It's good for business. It provides people who are either too busy or too lazy to farm with a means to afford masters and other luxuries which in turn keeps them playing, which again is good for business. No one quits because of plat spam it's just a nuiscance. And they get countless subscriptions from the farmers.

While I do not enjoy the plat spam I am pretty used to it from even eq1 days. I am also realistic about the fact that it is not going anywhere. Where there is money to be made people are going to make it. No screen, filter, ignore or taxation is going to stop illegal plat selling and advertising.

So the moral is when you receiive a plat spam/mail remind yourself you are fortunate enough to be able to play for fun while there are those who are doing it for work.

Talonis · 05-20-2007, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

You guys are going for the authoritarian solutions. I'm giving player choice. You're going for every solution to the problem possible except for one thing:

THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM

Your ring-around-the-rosie problems are as politically correct as I've ever heard. What am I to thank you for when I still get the same damned plat seller tells, but can't use tells for raid macros and can carry only less plat?

Well, since you put it that way, I'd say your 'solution' isn't any better. It solves your problem, but not the problem. You do realize that by level blocking tells and emails, you segregate and fracture the social aspect of the game? Socializing with lowbies may not be your cup 'o tea, but I'd bet it is for others.

You are well known for crusading against the farmers. There is little to nothing readily available to you as a player to stop them using ingame mechanics. I doubt you are going to convince SOE to arm you with anything either. I believe your (and everyone's) efforts are better spent trying to effect change outside of the game.

The other side of the coin that is often used (myself included) is to target the buyers. The problem here is exactly the same. Players do not have the ingame means to the ends. For these reasons, I believe the best way to affect the RMT market is to lighten the 'need' for it. Players purchase plat outside of the game to buy something that is available for them to purchase inside the game.

What if Master Chests only dropped off of Epic mobs?

What if Master Spells were NO-TRADE?

What if harvested rares were actually rare?

Why make 1 item out of collection quests rare?

Why are you able to purchase anything called a collection QUEST?

There are plenty of ways to make money in this game. What are the biggest selling items that make people get glazed eyes and type the URL of their friendly neighborhood plat selling site? Master spells, Attuneable Fabled/Legendary, and Collection Quests. Make your changes here and you begin to eliminate the root need for RMT. Sure, something else will emerge. Tackle one problem at a time.

None of this is new. Players have long argued that Master Chests / Spells should only drop off of the mobs that they would necessarily be used against, i.e. Epic. The birth of NO-TRADE shortly after launch solved the market flooding for the most part, but its use (or lack thereof) has slipped through the reality check meter on more than a few occasions. Collection Quests are fucking retarded. They are the mutherfuckin devil. They are nothing more than an annoying method of getting AA and the occasional game-breaking uber-overpowered reward. They are the stock in trade of greedy people that hold the single rare item for ransom. Yeah, yeah, I've done it too. The point is that if you are going to call it a quest, make people fucking quest for it. NO-TRADE shinies, bitches!

Get your own red stained glass.

Kill your own Epic mob for:
a) Master spells. (i.e. A new tier of NO-TRADE rare)
b) Gear and Weapons

Go farm instance 'X' for Assneck the Buttmuncher's uber Legendary drop.

ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR RMT. DON'T SEGREGATE THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF IT.

Illuminator · 05-20-2007, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

You do realize that by level blocking tells and emails, you segregate and fracture the social aspect of the game? Socializing with lowbies may not be your cup 'o tea, but I'd bet it is for others.

I do not socialize with lowbies and my level 70 character was never a member of the tier 1 community (in fact, nobody once answered why I need regular communication with tier 1 players); and my idea doesn't infringe on those players who choose to. There is no new or artificial segregation because I never once associated with those people in the first place. They haven't earned their stripes yet to get even basic respect from me.

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Originally Posted by Talonis

I believe your (and everyone's) efforts are better spent trying to effect change outside of the game. The other side of the coin that is often used (myself included) is to target the buyers.

Re-engineering human behavior is a far larger undertaking than addressing the abuses of the game. While you're at it, maybe you can end all cigarette smoking in the world.

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Originally Posted by Talonis

What if Master Chests only dropped off of Epic mobs?
What if Master Spells were NO-TRADE?
What if harvested rares were actually rare?
Why make 1 item out of collection quests rare?
Why are you able to purchase anything called a collection QUEST?

Good questions. But guess what? There's still a mechanism of abuse that allows level 1 players with no investment in the game to harrass level 70 players. If we fixed every one of your points, this mechanism would still remain and would still get abused.

I am realizing that the biggest problem with this website is that people don't respond to each others' arguments. People post their opinion, and when there's a response, they post their opinion again. That's why drama goes on for pages and pages.

Talonis · 05-20-2007, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

I do not socialize with lowbies and my level 70 character was never a member of the tier 1 community (in fact, nobody once answered why I need regular communication with tier 1 players); and my idea doesn't infringe on those players who choose to. There is no new or artificial segregation because I never once associated with those people in the first place. They haven't earned their stripes yet to get even basic respect from me.

So are we still talking about plat selling, or do you get flooded with tells and mail from legitimate noobs too? If so, how much?

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Re-engineering human behavior is a far larger undertaking than addressing the abuses of the game. While you're at it, maybe you can end all cigarette smoking in the world.

Read the sentence after that one and see I shot down the idea after proposing it - to lead into my main idea.

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Good questions. But guess what? There's still a mechanism of abuse that allows level 1 players with no investment in the game to harrass level 70 players. If we fixed every one of your points, this mechanism would still remain and would still get abused.

Even with your idea implemented, it is little more than a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. Your idea is not bad. Just not especially effective in combating the real problem.

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

I am realizing that the biggest problem with this website is that people don't respond to each others' arguments. People post their opinion, and when there's a response, they post their opinion again. That's why drama goes on for pages and pages.

Okay, so you don't want to envolve the discussion into something larger. Got it.

Everyone, please ignore my previous post and accept my apology for the total derail. Illu, your idea is not a bad one. It is just.......oh, nvm.

Red Rock Candy · 05-20-2007, 04:39 AM

I get the generalization that people are willing to ruin the game just to get rid of plat farmers.

Illuminator · 05-20-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

So are we still talking about plat selling, or do you get flooded with tells and mail from legitimate noobs too? If so, how much?

I received ONE single tell from a player under level 10, who wasn't a plat seller spammer, and who I didn't know, in the past several months. He was a retard asking me to give him money. That's not what I would call a "community that should be desegregated".

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Originally Posted by Talonis

Even with your idea implemented, it is little more than a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. Your idea is not bad. Just not especially effective in combating the real problem.

What the plat sellers have shown is that the /tell system is perfectly abusable, especially for RMT purposes. That is the head of this snake that needs to be severed, because as we can see from SOE, taking master drops off of bullshit mobs is clearly rocket science. We need to give them a waiver on that, they're apparently too fucking helpless to do anything to change it.

When MOA3 was exploited by the plat pharmers, it was one thing to get them all banned. But the zone still had to be fixed. The same thing has to happen to the /tell system.

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Originally Posted by Red Rock Candy

I get the generalization that people are willing to ruin the game just to get rid of plat farmers.

I get the generalization that you have nothing to add but a soundbite. Save it.

Pinski · 05-20-2007, 12:48 PM

So as was said, it doesn't fix a damn thing Illuminator. That's what Talonis said, that's what I said, and many others have said in this damn thread.

IT DOESN'T FIX THE PROBLEM.

End of story, it does not fix the problem. It hides the problem, they spam tells to get buyers. The buyers won't have those people ignored. Wait a second, what did I just say? The buyers who want to find a place to buy from won't have those people ignored! Lemme repeat it a 3rd time, if people want to buy plat and they don't know where and they get a tell, they now know where to buy from, and you're going to tell me that these people will automatically have all these lower-level people ignored? I'd like to know who determines what level you can and cannot talk to without changing things?

Namai · 05-20-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Rock Candy

I get the generalization that people are willing to ruin the game just to get rid of plat farmers.

It seems i am not very smart. Please tell me, using small words, and in great detail, exactly how allowing any given player to restrict tells from characters under a certian level will ruin the game?

I can tell you how it will hamper plat sellers trying to spam me, thus making my gameplay more enjoyable, somehow I dont think you will be able to tell me how the same will ruin the game.

Pinski · 05-20-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Namai

It seems i am not very smart. Please tell me, using small words, and in great detail, exactly how allowing any given player to restrict tells from characters under a certian level will ruin the game?

I can tell you how it will hamper plat sellers trying to spam me, thus making my gameplay more enjoyable, somehow I dont think you will be able to tell me how the same will ruin the game.

Okay, you don't buy plat do you? So how do their tells effect you? They don't. Limiting tells will do nothing to solve the problem.

Namai · 05-20-2007, 01:52 PM

That depends on what you think the problem is. To me, the problem is "players" are sending me tells advertising plat selling. Illuminators suggestion would not fix that, but would make it harder.

Adding this in would not end plat selling, but then again, nothing would end plat selling short of pulling the plug on the servers.

All that can be done, in reality, is for SoE to make it as hard as possable for plat sellers to aquire and advertise the "products". This suggestion would be one way to make it harder for them to advertise.

I fail to see the issue with it.