Death to RMT - Page 11

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Nobody is at odds with collection quests because generally they don't drop progression-busting combat items (T4 Necklace of Flowing Orbs and T7 proc earrings being exceptions). I don't begrudge people who find ways to accelerate xp grinding because I can't stand the process personally.

I don't advocate a currency-less game either. You need your George Washingtons and then you need your John Hancocks. I simply say that easy access to masters in violation of item progression is letting plat sellers accumulate plat faster than they deserve.

YES. FASTER THAN THEY DESERVE.

They do not put the skill investment into the game to be earning what they do. They use the fucked up Gown of Glory and Enspelled Vultak Eye to give themselves 750 points of regenerative wards on top of what AA's give them. These are absurdly easy to acquire. When they multibox, they bot. Yes, they automate their backup characters, especially their warlocks. I've proven this with screenshots many times.

Your sarcasm isn't enough to diminish the responsibilities of an accomplished raider. Raids that do random rolls aren't the kinds of raids we talk about in any great detail here.

No, but neither are the rewards.

Illuminator · 05-23-2007, 03:16 PM

Why should we leave Master I spells as they are? Is the Entitlement Complex that unbreakable?

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Why should we leave Master I spells as they are? Is the Entitlement Complex that unbreakable?

Yes its called "I R Raider I Deserve it all Complex" thats fine for most gear, but do we really need it for spells too? Isn't enough for the e-peen challanged to claim kill rights? Oh I guess its more like the gang member with the pimped out car syndrome, than I would care to admit. I guess it boils down to the bling bling.

Rinion · 05-23-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Why should we leave Master I spells as they are? Is the Entitlement Complex that unbreakable?

No, your right. screw the 10 people that would leave over it.

People that think they are entitled because they pay 15$ the same as everyone else are the people that buy plat to and think 'Why not I payed money for it so I am entitled to it.

Rinion · 05-23-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hammarus

Yes its called "I R Raider I Deserve it all Complex" thats fine for most gear, but do we really need it for spells too? Isn't enough for the e-peen challanged to claim kill rights? Oh I guess its more like the gang member with the pimped out car syndrome, than I would care to admit. I guess it boils down to the bling bling.

It isnt about kill rights of whose the best, its about a FUN progressive game.

Im sorry but welcome to MMOs your goal should be to RAID to see end game, whether its once a month or daily. If you dont want to work to that goal or are unable to work to that goal, why on earth would you need Raiding equipment?

The goal of the game is to progress through Challenge. Chalenge shapes us, it molds us, and through chalenge we gain strength and accomplishment. A feel of 'ya, just kicked its ass and beat the Teir.

where is the challenge in buying the best spells in the game...off a broker.

and if their is no challenge.. how is this game fun again?

Miranni · 05-23-2007, 03:44 PM

Making items more no trade than they are just exacerbates the problem, as Aandian says. If there are enough items in circulation, then the price comes down. If the items are not in circulation, then people will pay even more for loot rights because A) the current system of loot allows the selling of rights so the items are still "sellable," and B) it is a bigger hassle to stop and get people into zones to loot.

Collection quest items are only expensive because people are lazy and like to level up their alts with them. I cannot think of any item that is necessary or irreplaceable from a collection quest, with the minor exception of the planar orb proc earrings, which are easy/cheap enough to complete. Some of the items are nice but many of them aren't that great, esoecially lower level ones. The reason those are so high is because servers are top heavy and fewer people are in those zones harvesting those ?s. Please tell me how collections are required for progression?

I don't mind the idea of special no trade spells that are only in raid instances, but the same workaround with loot rights would still apply, and it would just nerf down the older content even further. Not that it will matter in a few months I suppose. However, I fail to see how it will have a problem with plat farming.

Honestly SOE's recent ban spree on Perma is what we need more of to combat the plat sellers/buyers; fear coupled with education is the best deterent. If you understand the effects the farming has on the market, or there's a good chance your server is up for a plat ban sweep you might think twice before you attempt to do something stupid like buying plat.

Talonis · 05-23-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aandien

The original assertions are nearly exactly what they did in EQ1. Lets take a look at that game for a minute...

1) I had somewhere in the neighborhood of 4million pp when I quit. I had that much money...because everything was notrade, and there wasn't a single thing I needed to buy with my PP. I was a raider.

2) Raiders have alts. Raiders like to equip their alts with purchasable stuff. In EQ this equated to purchasing the farmable set molds back in POP. Here it would equate to buying legendary gear or mastercrafted.

3) Because everything raiders want are now no-trade (under your assertion), raiders now accumulate vasts amounts of wealth they have no need for (because every penny earned, is a penny saved...regardless of how little it is per accumulation).

4) As a result, raiders are now wanting to purchase those farmable molds. Sellers will realize this, and charge tremendous amounts of pp for those things. Take a look at EQ, you'll see this in action to this day.

5) These tremendous prices are completely impossible for true newbies to achieve by playing the game.

6) Enter RMT to save the day.

What your suggestions will create -- is an even BIGGER dependence on buying/selling platinum. Just take a look at the current EQ economy (which is what your suggesting we move to) to see how long-term, your suggestions are not very good at achieving your objectives.

BTW, Hi there Tal

Heya Aandien!

Your discussion loses similarity at step #2. The farmable molds don't exist in EQ2. The actual EQ2 equivalent is extremely easy to acquire in the form of rares and groups. Therefore it is not a problem enough to completely blow a hole in the proposal. In terms of gear, I am referring to stuff like is found in HoS, LoA, boss/sub-boss instance loot. Think Wand of Crystallized Plasma, Light/Dark Chitin Ring, Cruel Innovator's Ring, 'x' of Suffering Shoulders, Pain weps, Shadowfire BP, Velium Weps, for a tiny sampling of examples. Treasured and certain Legendary drops are the same. Mastercrafted stuff is still available. Since these items are typically easier to get, people will not be able to get 100's of plat on the market for this stuff on a consistent basis. The need for utilizing RMT decreases, thus reducing RMT.

The point is to remove the big stuff. The doom and gloomers here think I want everything changed from ATTUNEABLE to NO-TRADE or TAL-ONLY. You are taking what I say to the extreme. I propose Master Spell changes, Collection Quest No-trade, and High end gear no-trade. I do not expect total eradication of RMT from these changes, but I do expect a large reduction.

Talonis · 05-23-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hammarus

I fucking hate RMT, but I fucking hate shitty solutions to it even more. So who is the dumber motherfucker? Obviously, since you proposed this stupid shit, an explanation would be pointless.

Perhaps my first response to your OP should have been simply; Dumbfuck idea. And left it at that.

Since you haven't made sense yet, I'd have to agree that it would have been wiser to say "Dumbfuck idea" and go back to IGE to check current prices.

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rinion

It isnt about kill rights of whose the best, its about a FUN progressive game.

Im sorry but welcome to MMOs your goal should be to RAID to see end game, whether its once a month or daily. If you dont want to work to that goal or are unable to work to that goal, why on earth would you need Raiding equipment?

The goal of the game is to progress through Challenge. Chalenge shapes us, it molds us, and through chalenge we gain strength and accomplishment. A feel of 'ya, just kicked its ass and beat the Teir.

where is the challenge in buying the best spells in the game...off a broker.

and if their is no challenge.. how is this game fun again?

If its about a fun and progressive game, which i happen to agree with, whats all this fuss about?

Why? For many, myself not included btw, they have no desire to ever raid. Why would they want raid equipment, who knows, who cares, but they want it none the less. Yet the focus of this discussion has not gravitated towards raid gear but around items mentioned in the OPs post, most specifically Master spells.

There is likely no challenge in that(buying spells from broker), but I would gather there is challenge in taking on content, non-epic that inspires people, to improve their abilities, just as it does for raiders who take on epic content.

And for those people, there is their fun.

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

Since you haven't made sense yet, I'd have to agree that it would have been wiser to say "Dumbfuck idea" and go back to IGE to check current prices.

Whats IGE?