Malachani

I thought that the person receiving the item doesn't need to supply all the parts, only some, to complete the recipe. I know i did it the other day and while I supplied most of it, there were some parts that the crafter supplied. Granted it didn't involve any no-trade items, so I don't know how those work.

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Talonis

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MysidiaDrakkenbane

No, dumbass. No Trade means exactly that. You can't sell no trade on the market. What price would it drive up if you can't sell them?

Botters/farmers do not drive the prices down. It's called luck of the draw as far as which ones drop more often than the others. Hop on Befallen sometime and look at the prices for Warden and Zerker masters. They are rarer on that server and thus, their price matches it.

Since they finally fixed the raids where loot actually drops for the classes that are in there, making Masters NO DROP makes more sense.

1) Those that put in the time to raid get the better loot. It has been and should always be this way.

2) Masters should drop off raids only. As Ill stated before, heroic instances, Legendary and Adept III's are perfectly adequate for taking these on.

3) If Masters were No Drop and on raids only, there wouldn't be 25p masters on the broker. No one would have to fall slave to the Botting/Farming assholes that prey on the fact certain classes are rarer on servers than others and those that put in the time to raid can achieve the spells.

Stupid?... The only thing stupid about it is how stupidly simple this can be fixed but isn't.

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Gori

So would these be generic to tier x component drops, class specific component drops, or spell specific component drops? Would there be other components needed to craft the spell? Would the crafting be limited to the normal spell makers( I assume so) or would any appropriate level crafter be able to make the spell? How would the recipes for these spells be acquired? Would the crafting of the spells follow normal rules on making them(for example must be level x crafter to make level x spells)? Will there be a way to fail making them? And if so what components will be returned.

Details are necessary to further tease out the viability of the system.

Widem

wow you are some kind of fucking moron. making them no trade doesnt keep them from being sold. what would happen is the same as what happens now with all no trade items. you pay us the cash and we will let you loot them if not then fuck off. you have just made this shit MORE EXPENSIVE. goddamn sometimes i wish there was a font that looked like crayon.

Namai

What about:

Apprentice I: Freebie
Apprentice II: Cheaply purchased
Apprentice III, IV: Common crafted
Adept I: Treasured drop
Adept III: Mastercrafted
Master I: Fabled (heroic named drop)
Master III: crafted from no-trade Fabled component(raid named drop)

The rasoning behind it, to me at least, is it is a comparison of strength.

There is 1 step from app 1 to app 2, 1 step from app 4 to adept 1, but 2 steps from adept 3 to master 1, and 2 steps from master 1 to master 3.

While i agree that casual players dont need anything fabled, I see no reason for them to not have a few fabled tags thrown round, as long as there is a raid acquired direct upgrade to everything (looking at my GoG and invoker earring here).

This would totally remove the current situation of casual players having access to the best spells avalible in the game, but in a manner that doesn't really affect them at all. Hell, if there is no test notes, they wouldn't even notice it. Like it or not, keeping casual players in this game is important, assuming we want this game to continue and not be paying thousands a month is subscription fees.

One more thing this would do is reduce the broker price of master 1s. What raider would spend 100p on an Ice Nova master 1, when any raid named had the potential to drop a component that could be turned in to a Ice Nova master 3? Making the highest level of spells craftable will have a direct and negative impact on the value of the quality level directly below it, with high ticket spells being the first hit and the hardest hit.

Personally, I see something like this as kicking casual players in the balls, but without them even noticing it.

Namai

Your guild has never sold looting rights to class armour?
no-trade does not mean no-trade in this game. All it means is the first person to take it from the chest keeps it forver.

MysidiaDrakkenbane

Dude, you are the reason why there should be human spay and neuter laws.

Quit scanning what I type and read the whole fucking thing next time.


Is that sinking in yet? RAIDERS SHOULD ONLY BE THE ONES THAT GET THE MASTERS. (If you have to buy into a raid filled with farmers/plat sellers, you are not a raider and should be charged out the fucking wazoo for it.) If you're in a raiding guild there's no reason to charge. You're there to put in the time, you are rewarded with the loot.

...I don't think we need crayon font...we should be able to make pictographs for the simplier of minds.

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MysidiaDrakkenbane

Sold looting rights? WTF? No. Why on earth would someone want to do that? If you're working together as a guild, why aren't you working on gearing your guild out and when you've gotten that done, moving on to something else that hasn't been done? Not every guild has all of their "raiders" geared out. Yes, we would be among them.

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