Death to RMT - Page 19

MysidiaDrakkenbane · 05-25-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I've always preferred the term "retroactive abortion."

Unfortunately, LFG, abortions don't come with a warantee.

Talonis · 05-25-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Widem

I dont understand what you are arguing. What you are saying here is that then a master spell iwould be "priceless". which the post i was replying to was complaining about the cost of masters and that farming them was to blame, which is wrong. This is even more basic of an econ principle supply vs. demand...u just took away the supply except for of course to me the raider.

DING DING! Welcome back to proper progession. Implement this with the idea of adding another spell quality tier - and things are as they should be.

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Originally Posted by Widem

Your whole argument here is against the basis of capitalism itself and in my opinion is pretty dumb. If you make plat worthless, which is what it looks like, currency will just take on another form whether it be items or anything else.

EDIT-BTW if the only way you could get a master is this way, then yes, players would wait in masses for a guild sell a master b/c they would have no other choice.

Unless they play the game to progress instead of purchasing it. There are plenty of choices. Don't make it out like the game is unplayable without a mastered out toon.

If you play this game to brush up on your economic understanding and capitalism skills, I would say you are playing for a reason that was not a primary concern for the developers in the first place.

BTW, the only way in the current system to get a Robe of Al'Kabor without raiding is to purchase the looting rights. How many have you sold?

Granted, the drop rate of the spell components would need to be greater in comparison, but having a fully top-tier mastered toon would be the exception rather than the norm, even for the uber guilds.

Widem · 05-25-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MysidiaDrakkenbane

Dude, you are the reason why there should be human spay and neuter laws.

Quit scanning what I type and read the whole fucking thing next time.

Is that sinking in yet? RAIDERS SHOULD ONLY BE THE ONES THAT GET THE MASTERS. (If you have to buy into a raid filled with farmers/plat sellers, you are not a raider and should be charged out the fucking wazoo for it.) If you're in a raiding guild there's no reason to charge. You're there to put in the time, you are rewarded with the loot.

...I don't think we need crayon font...we should be able to make pictographs for the simplier of minds.

Thank you, you just admitted you thoughts from the original post were wrong and that you are jacking up the price. Shit, this idea only helps me out because my plat splits will be huge. Why will they be huge? BECAUSE I CAN SELL THESE MASTERS FOR A RETARDED HIGH PRICE.

Pinski · 05-25-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MysidiaDrakkenbane

Sold looting rights? WTF? No. Why on earth would someone want to do that? If you're working together as a guild, why aren't you working on gearing your guild out and when you've gotten that done, moving on to something else that hasn't been done? Not every guild has all of their "raiders" geared out. Yes, we would be among them.

What happens when you are geared out? Do you not sell that loot or give it to somebody NOT IN THE RAID?

Widem · 05-25-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

DING DING! Welcome back to proper progession. Implement this with the idea of adding another spell quality tier - and things are as they should be.

All you are implying is that there is raider spells then casual spells. Botters just farm the casual spells for the casual players nothing changes.

In actuallity you are just hurting the majority of players.

MysidiaDrakkenbane · 05-25-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

What happens when you are geared out? Do you not sell that loot or give it to somebody NOT IN THE RAID?

No. (And this response is for dickbag up there, too) Why is it so hard for people to understand that if you don't put in the time and work, you don't deserve the loot?

Can't do it in the guild you're in? Move to another one. There are plenty of guilds with various raid times to suit your raiding needs.

And any guild willing to accept these "selling rights" are fucking assholes, too. You're just adding to the problem of casuals being able to be decked out.

Illuminator · 05-25-2007, 02:24 PM

You could kick casual players in the balls and they wouldn't even know it. How many of them still run around with apprentice 1's and at best, adept 1's? Because that's what a casual player truly is. Ignorance is bliss, don't gum up the works on behalf of people who don't even care enough to post here, don't know shit about the game's more advanced mechanics, and/or spend their time in crafting instances wearing the RP outfit OTM. They don't need masters, can't say a damned thing to justify needing masters, so stop playing the role of Public Advocate because it's not necessary anymore. The cliche of worrying about the casual player when even the casual player doesn't worry about the casual player is getting completely retarded.

Clarity and simplicity are my tenets. EDIT: This listing achieves the stated goals and without much cruft or the burden of creating anything drastically new.

Apprentice I: Freebie
Apprentice II: Cheaply purchased
Apprentice III: Common crafted
Adept I: Treasured drop
Adept II: Mastercrafted
Adept III: Legendary (heroic named drop)
Master I: Fabled (raid named drop, crafted or as-is)

Pinski · 05-25-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MysidiaDrakkenbane

No. (And this response is for dickbag up there, too) Why is it so hard for people to understand that if you don't put in the time and work, you don't deserve the loot?

Can't do it in the guild you're in? Move to another one. There are plenty of guilds with various raid times to suit your raiding needs.

And any guild willing to accept these "selling rights" are fucking assholes, too. You're just adding to the problem of casuals being able to be decked out.

So, you don't give any gear to people in your guild who aren't in the raid that killed the mob(considering most casual guilds have >24 online when they raid), or their alts? What, you just transmute or vendor all gear you get that nobody wants or already has? Wait, you probably don't.

Widem · 05-25-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MysidiaDrakkenbane

No. (And this response is for dickbag up there, too) Why is it so hard for people to understand that if you don't put in the time and work, you don't deserve the loot?

Can't do it in the guild you're in? Move to another one. There are plenty of guilds with various raid times to suit your raiding needs.

And any guild willing to accept these "selling rights" are fucking assholes, too. You're just adding to the problem of casuals being able to be decked out.

Hey twat hole, if there is something we dont need on a riad i can sell whatever the fuck i want because i put my time and energy into it.

Whatever casual player that harvested tons of shit and sold it to other people over the past 2 months that saved enough plat has every fucking right to buy whatever he fucking wants.

You are implying that they just get this shit for free, people get plat doing al kinds of shit, they are getting paid for services in hopes that one day they can pay for a service they want.

ALL HARVESTABLES ARE NOW NO-TRADE! IF YOUR NOT WILLING TO WORK FOR IT YOU SHOULDNT GET DICK! ALL CRAFTED ITEMS ARE NO-TRADE BECAUSE YOUR TO DAMN LAZY TO LVL YOUR OWN CRAFTER!

MysidiaDrakkenbane · 05-25-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

So, you don't give any gear to people in your guild who aren't in the raid that killed the mob(considering most casual guilds have >24 online when they raid), or their alts? What, you just transmute or vendor all gear you get that nobody wants or already has? Wait, you probably don't.

No, we don't. We believe if you're there putting in the time and effort, only you get a chance to loot what's there. If you're not there, why should you have a hand at it? And yes, what's left over gets transmuted. We reward attendance. Isn't that what DKP is for? Rewarding attendance? We do the same thing, minus the DKP.