Pinski

So, if you have 26 people online, and you can only have 24 people in the raid, the other 2 people have 0 chance at getting the loot? Wow, what a nice raiding guild.

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Widem

DKP/PLAT is the same fucking thing except one is raid guild currency and one is general eq currency.

And there is no way you are telling me that if 25 people log on that 1 sitting out wont get loot or DKP for the night.

razieh

So if you are full and some one is asked to sit and a item that only they want drops they should not be able to get it even though they are sitting there right out side and were asked to sit.............

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Yeah, because harvestables and crafted totally equate to fabled. Mistake Anthrax for coke and snort yourself into the afterlife. You are an ass. And yes, those guilds who sell looting rights are just added to the casual problem of them getting the mentality that if they have enough plat, they can get anything. You're also basically shitting all over the hard work that you, yourself have done... you know that, right?

I don't know how long you've been playing, but I'm going to guess that you've spent a lot of hours raiding trying to perfect your main, or whatever toon you actually raid with. Why are you allowing others who don't put in that kind of manpower, be given the same thing? Paying for looting rights makes raiding trivial.

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Talonis

The tier to be added would be similar, utilizing a no-trade drop from legendary, groupable encounters for those that choose not to raid. It isn't that their tier components wouldn't be available at all, just WHERE they are available.

What is endgame for non-raiders? Currently, it would be instanced stuff like Unrest, OoB, CoV; then 'contested' legendary encounters in CMM, FC, MMC, and other overland areas. This is where you go for your no-trade legendary spell components. Everyone starts the new tier at good 'ol player crafted. This would be the only place the botters could still get their foot in the door, an area they are already in.

You make things tradeable up to a certain part of progression. Then it's time to get out and actually play the game. It is fucking bullshit that people can make an endgame equipped and mastered toon by doing nothing more than purchasing plat and hailing a broker. What aren't you getting?

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Widem

Selling that crap is reaping the reward of my work you dumbass. The only thing that matters to a good raid guild is beating everything before everyone else, raid gear is a means to and end, but not the end itself. I think you just believe that good gear/masters make you a good player.

Your whole argument is just completely ignorant. What about the xmuters? A lot of them worked their ass off now they are selling crap to people. Its the same goddamn thing.

Rinion

what about the fact that we want a generalized spell Rune that can be crafted into the desired Master spell?

So instead of a legit player Farming multiple named for a slim chance he will get a master he may or may not be able to use.

he now has a slim chance to get a master rune he CAN 100% use. The point is their would not be super rare spells that only 3 on the server have ever dropped, it would be Generic components that can be used for ANY spell.

Any casual player that remotely desires them would still have access and a chance to get them if their guild Casually raids.

if everyone in dissolution needed the same runes to get the spells they need for T8 and the runes only dropped 0 - 2 a raid. How long would it take?

would your entire guild be mastered out in time for the next xpac? maybe..maybe not. So why would you sell any Runes?

Your assumption is that we want runes to drop like candy so all raiders are mastered out in a mater of weeks and you can sell off excess runes for whatever price you like. I dont think that is the case. not at all.

Edit: so um their are about 24 weeks in 6 months. so lets say you get lucky and get 2 runes from every raid and lets say their are 6 raid instances and and 3 contested. so youre netting 18 runes a week.

Gratz by the next xpac in 6months your entire raid force is mastered out and now after almost 6 months you have some excess to sell if you arent giving them to alts.

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MysidiaDrakkenbane

That's why we have sign up sheets on our website.

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MysidiaDrakkenbane

I believe that good gear/masters is the reward for the work you put into your toon. It appears that you and I just have different views as far as what represents hard work and are going to have to agree to disagree with this.

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Rinion

your right in concept but your wrong. In a hardcore raid guild it is assumed everyone is signed up for Every raid.

if you are not their for raiding, why are you in the guild?

So when people are asked to sit out because their isnt room, they are entitled to DKP and bid rights.

Thats how most work anyway.

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