Talonis

So rather than answer the questions, you feel:

1) Easymode Master Spells are required for this game to remain in existence.

2) Spell Progression is not broken. No action necessary.

3) Plat farming operations are being kept in check. A handful of accts on a single server are evidence the problem is well in hand with the assets currently allocated.

Alright. Anyone else?

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Wolfe

1. master spells for some may not be required but there is nothing wrong with them having them also. Other than you getting your panties in a wad that someone else has them!

2. Spell progression is just fine IMO.

3. Plat farming is not rule breaking ( unless monoplizing content). Only the selling of said plat for Real life money. personally i feel SOE is doing there very best at controlling this with out over nerfing the game.

Honestly a casual player having a few fabled items and masters does nothing to effect YOUR game play. The only thing it effects is your oh so over inflated epeen and your bragging rights.
Face it your a have and you want to make sure the have nots dont get to have!
Frankly if it was not for those casual gamers YOU would not have this game to even play!
Guess what iam not even a casual player myself. I play 14 to 16 hours a day (the reasons my avalable play times is not due to lake of a life).
Out of those hours i raid 3 hours a night mostly 5 nights a week. With the occasional weekend pick up raid on a alt.
Be i also respect the casual gamers and do not begrudge them any times they earn be it from time spent in raid or group content or from time spent farming plat for the same item.
Honestly the player that spent the time farming for the plat to buy a fabled item probly spent more time farming that plat than the guys that put the item on the broker did in getting it.
i wont even get into the plat being bought instead of farmed b/c honestly youll never stop that from happening you cant prove how the player got the plat and this thread has long since degraded into a lets keep good stuff from other players thread than a thread to limit RMT.
It is more of a thread to stop casuals/non raiders (not all non raiders are casual) from getting good stuff. Using the cover up of wanting to stop RMT as a means to promote them selfs as being BETTER than everyone else and to keep everyone else down so there EPEEN's can stay over inflated.
Those that went in busted ass to get there gear do have the right to be proud of there efforts. But but some one else getting the same stuff easy mode only belittles your efforts if your ONLY in this for bragging rights and epeen's.
Question did or do you have fun raiding for your gear? or are you simply raiding for the gear itself?
As long as your doing it for fun then you should not have issues with this whole casual gamer getting gear.
If your doing it for bragging rights or epeens frankly IMO you have much deeper issues you need to look at.

Panthera

You have enough trouble with trying to figure out your own thoughts, please stay out of my head. You know nothing about me. You have no clue how I play, where I play, what guild my secondary accounts are in or, really, anything about me. You have over-generalized one snippet of one thread into a referendom on my thoughts and feelings and have the audacity to tell me I don't have a clue.

A.) I have never said Master spells shouldn't be no-trade. Gasp! In fact, you can take five minutes and dig up a thread in which...wait for it...I proposed the same exact thing. Now, don't let that get in the way of that giant ego of yours and self-righteous little rants on what I really think and how I or other people should be playing.

B.) I am in the camp that actually believes what Johnny or Susie does with their time is by-god their time to do what the fuck they want. More importantly, what they do or don't do has absolutely nothing to do with my enjoyment of this game. If Johnny wants to raid his little heart out 24/7 and completely deck himself out in all the best gear and have every single spell from 1 to 80 a master, then super-dee-dooper for Johnny. If, on the other hand, Johnny wants no part of raiding and tradeskills his ass off and buys every piece of gear he has then, again, it is his business.

C.) Define "casual." You and others spit the word out like an insult. Like it is some form of a racial slur. The truth is you have the entitlement complex. You want some type of special status awarded to you because you raid. You want to somehow be recognized as being superiour and better than everyone else simply because you play the game a certain way. Doesn't matter that Johnny logs in and play 4 - 5 hours every single night; he isn't good enough because he isn't a raider or doesn't play the game up to your standards. You aren't content to play and be happy with your game you must dictate how others play as well. Everything is just peachy as long they stay on their side of the street so that we can be superiour over here.

You are actually too dense to realize this is exactly how people like Ishbu think of you. Now, you jumped all over his case in another thread when he pretty much made fools of everyone. Just as you look down your nose at "casuals," he's looking down his nose at you. I was pretty much amazed at how utterly pathetic he made everyone look by pointing out they were self-gratzing themselves over server thirds and forths, as though anything other than one means a damn. Honestly, I tip my hat to the genius displayed in that thread.

D.) Something to show for your time? Here's the thing Bruce, it is a video game. It is a new incarnation of hobbies that has shit to show for it. Unlike woodworking (in the real world) or softball or most other forms of enjoyment, video games don't have trophies or tangible rewards to be able to look back on and smile. Now, you do have your in-game rewards and where we part company is that my fabled armor or master spells are mine. Nothing can take away the fact that I got X in game. Nothing. You, on the other hand, want to dimish the value of your X because I have X too. Your X isn't nearly as good because, dammit, he has one too!

Maybe I'm just older and more mature to be at a place where I don't look at my neighbor as the measure of my own self-worth. My "accomplishments" are mine and mine alone. They aren't better because I'm the only one who did them nor are they worse because everyone else did them as well.

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Malachani

I said you were part of the problem, the part that says its ok for someone who puts in an hour a day to have exactly the same thing as the people who put in more time. Thats like saying that the employee who throws together a presentation in 20 minutes deserves the same credit as someone who worked on it every night for a week.

I never said that casuals shouldn't have access to masters, please find a post where I said that? I said that their chance for it should come from named heroic mobs. Now we all know that heroic doesn't necessarily mean a group, so even those adverse to grouping would have a shot at masters, it just should be pretty damn rare, and by gods it shouldn't come from some trash mob. If they're no-drop, even better. Not like they couldn't shout "X Master just dropped, PST for loot rights" into zone and see if they can get more than the few gold they'd get for vendoring it.

I don't want to take anything away from a casual. There is tons of them to do, plenty of gear for them to acquire, and even some really nice treasured stuff that rates better than anything else in the game (Mystical Orbs) that they can get on their time without having to put in 6 hours a night. I just think that the people that do put in the time, effort and coordination to raid do deserve to have something better. Its not a sense of entitlement, hell I haven't raided in over 6 months. I just feel that there needs to be some kind of reward.

You may feel that your gaming experience doesn't net you any sort of tangible rewards, but to me, they do. I have made real friends through my gaming, I feel a sense of accomplishment when I think of what I've done in my gaming experience. Maybe its not something I can show to anyone not familiar with gaming, but it is something to me. I frankly don't give a rats ass about having a trophy sitting on my mantle, or an award on my wall. To me they amount to exactly the same thing as my shiney new robe or the cool weapon I just looted. They are only important to me, no one else really gives a fuck.

I'll repeat again. Casuals already have a majority of the game to tackle. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with having some stuff for raiders to have that shows they put time and effort into their toons. It gives a reason to actually bother with raiding. When these rewards are handed out to anyone who can kill a solo mob, it takes away from the effort put into raiding. When you can get the best gear and the best spells simply by killing solo mobs for a few days and then purchasing it, it totally takes away any reason at all to raid. I know some people dislike raiding, and for that dislike they see fit to demolish all raiding. I dislike soloing, but I don't rally the troops to do away with that style of play.

Casual players who only play a short time can still do stuff to feel like they've accomplished stuff. For raiders, we have the instance zones which basically anyone who wants to can do, and the contested, which is reserved for the best of the best. If the gear and spells that we are getting out of these zones/contested are equal or worse than what you can get from soloing or grouping, it negates the reason to even do them. Adding gear that is no-trade (and better quality than attained from solo or group zones), and spells that are above and beyond the current level of master takes absolutely NOTHING away from the casual players. They can still get their masters, they can still get their fabled that is currently tradeable, but it gives something to those that do enjoy raiding. How is that a bad thing? Its only a bad thing in the eyes of those who feel they deserve everything the game has to offer, but don't want to put the effort into getting them.

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Gori

Honest question....is there any EoF tradable fabled gear?

Well besides the crafted stuff which I didn't even know was tradable until Wolfe posted.

Wolfe

I'll repeat again. Casuals already have a majority of the game to tackle. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with having some stuff for raiders to have that shows they put time and effort into their toons. It gives a reason to actually bother with raiding. When these rewards are handed out to anyone who can kill a solo mob, it takes away from the effort put into raiding. When you can get the best gear and the best spells simply by killing solo mobs for a few days and then purchasing it, it totally takes away any reason at all to raid. I know some people dislike raiding, and for that dislike they see fit to demolish all raiding. I dislike soloing, but I don't rally the troops to do away with that style of play.
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So what your saying here is that the only reason to raid is for gear? Not for enjoying the content? Not for the fun or the friends or the sense of acomplishment just for the gear?
I think its you that has a gaming issue here.
I love the gear also and that gear also but mainly becouse that gear will help me move on to other content. It is the content the friends and the good feeling i get when we kill or complete a zone. Basicly the FUN of the game for me The fun of the game is and iam pretty sure diferant for a difernt lot of players. some take pride in haveing the most collections done others in there house some for there tradeskilling you name it theres plenty.
Sounds like your fun is gear Which is find but at the same time your wanting to limit that same fun from others.

Malachani

Absolutely not. I love raiding just to raid, the gear is a neat bonus. But to spend 6 hours clearing a zone and have nothing to show for it other than maybe a funny memory gets old. Its the same reason you don't normally see people doing instances after they've gotten everything they want out of it. Sure they might go to help a friend, but how often do you see HOF filled up these days?

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Illuminator

You're painting a picture grossly similar to RL broke retards going up to their necks in debt just to keep up with the Joneses next door. You need self-respect long before you need to buy plat.

Let me give you a little tip. As availability of currency increases, so do prices.

1. I've consistently railed against long camps. Try again.
2. No matter what the game does well or fucks up at, I still have my min/max obligation.
3. The robe is tradeable. I was perfectly within the rules.
4. I busted my ass to do it because the business opportunity availed itself.
5. The casual obviously doesn't do the same thing if he's buying plat now, is he?

Very nicely put.

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Illuminator

Have you ever heard of a thing called competition?

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MysidiaDrakkenbane

There are several degrees of how one takes their hobby, though. You have someone who dabbles in it here and there, and then you have the people who dive head first and are all gung ho about it. Different strokes for different folks.

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